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Man proves he's not the father, still has to pay past-due child support
Posted by jellyfish on Jan 12, 2007 at 03:51 PM

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daydreamtime spoke on Jan 14, 2007 at 02:55 PM
This is just wrong. He shouldn't have to pay anyone.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 15, 2007 at 11:22 AM
this is serious bull @#$%. I am a mother, and can't get the damn state to get my child support from the actual father, and ehre, some poor schmuck has to pay back pay on some broads kid just cuz she's a liar. nice state to live in.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 15, 2007 at 02:56 PM
This only serves to prove that men are pigs, even the court has acknowledged that fact.
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IndigoShaper spoke on Jan 15, 2007 at 03:50 PM
Wonder why he didn't show up at any of the court hearings.
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ChePibe spoke on Jan 15, 2007 at 08:41 PM
Sounds like even the judges think it's a lousy law or, at least, a point the law has yet to clarify.
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carpanza spoke on Jan 16, 2007 at 01:00 PM
First of all, looks like the guy's legal troubles all started in 2002. The guy should have had the paternity test during those hearings. Instead, the guy never paid what the judge ruled in 2002 and let this case drag on four to five years. The schmuck was dodging an arrest warrant for being a deadbeat and had his wages garnished.

The judge ruled that he was responsible for paying support up to the point of the test. The law only stated he was not responsible for further payments. Should the judge even have the right to rule in this case since there is no law on the books? Who knows….

The guy’s not exactly a sympathetic figure. If he wasn’t such a deadbeat the judge might have ruled differently. Judges tend to notice things like people ignoring court orders and disrespecting court rulings.
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squee spoke on Jan 16, 2007 at 10:33 PM
He should still pay the past-due amount up until the paternity test because it was a crime for him not to. Its not like he went to the paternity hearings claiming he wasn't the father and got screwed with an issued judgment of paternity despite. He ended up the acknowledged legal father precisely because not showing up forfeited the judgment in the mothers favor, thats a valid rulng. He didnt ask for the paternity test until being arrested and dragged into court. He was found to be the legal father at those paternity hearings and it was a crime for him not to pay, and wiping it out would be rewarding him for doing so. Maybe he could use the test results he finally bothered to get to sue for it back, but asking for a paternity test seemed to be the first thing he did after being brought to court, so had this been done at the paternity hearings there would have been no issuing of his paternity in the first place.

Making him pay for whatever was due up until the test is really the perfect fine for deadbeating, automatically adjusted to the degree of the crime. 4 years of failing to respond, makes 4 years of child support. 2 years of the fugitive behavior, and he'd have owed 2 years of child support, and so on.
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ChePibe spoke on Jan 16, 2007 at 11:02 PM
On top of all that, it looks like the child support was $24/week. Hardly a fortune, and carp and squee are right - he did little to make himself a sympathetic figure and failed to show up in court. Combined with laws the court obviously dislikes but is bound by law to enforce, this creates a strange situation.

Moral of the story - pay up or show up.
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carpanza spoke on Jan 17, 2007 at 08:32 AM
$24 a week... that's like two cases of Pabst Blue Ribbon and a truck stop corndog. That's a lot of money, and worth fighting for.
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holyjuan spoke on Jan 17, 2007 at 10:01 AM
$24 a week... that's like two cases of Pabst Blue Ribbon and a roll in the sack with Carpanza's sister. That's a lot of money, and worth fighting for.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 19, 2007 at 08:28 AM
however... what if the guy didn't know he had to go to court? what if he was shiftless, and didn't actually live anywhere? or perhaps the courts didn't even have the proper address at any point? the reason i am questioning, is because it is up to the mother to have an address. if she is suing for child support that is. this is what happened to me. i was living in one town, got a new job in another, and didn't even give the old girlfriend the new address, i mean why should i? we broke up. next thing i know, two years later i am being arrested fro back child support and didnt even know there was a kid. i asked for paternity, and the court asked why now and not then? i told them i didn't even know about the kid. it took two more years before i got paternity finally ordered by the court, and in the end she was not my kid. but i still had to pay back child support. nearly 3 grand. and all because i moved to florida from michigan to get away from the bitch.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 24, 2007 at 06:12 AM
In a case I know about. The man was proved not to be the Father in 1998 and the judge still ordered child support in that case. The
guy still and til this day has a Father relationship with this child, and she visits with him and his parents every other week per visitation.
though he never paid into child support and was taking care of the child off and on. The arrears he owed piled up that he wasn't paying
and he too got locked uo and never showed up for court to even remind them that this wasn't his child. Now that he has been out him
and the Mother had to appear in court and now he wants the case dismissed but still wants a relationship with this child he calls his
daughter. The Mother was going to drop the court order that the judge originally put in change the last name of the child in which the
alledged father doesn't agree with. Though finding out hurts the child, the alledged Father coming in and out of her life would hurt
even more.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 24, 2007 at 08:03 AM
Carpanza, Squee, and Che are all full of shit... I'll bet everyone of you speeds (indirectly risking the life of someone else), but because it is a law you choose not to obey, you think little of it. I would wager that if others thought you should be strapped with fines for 4 years or possibly even life, you would think that they are wrong. This guy did nothing wrong. Screw what some corrupt government ciourt has to say. He should pay ZERO!!!! and Fugitive??? From what? Some corrupt system? Fuck you and people like you.
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squee spoke on Jan 24, 2007 at 10:57 AM
AC#1: Making up stories that happen to mirror everything we said, not very believable. At the very least your address change doesn't sound like a legal one. Court summons are usually delivered in person, but if the government thinks you still live in florida you're still responsible for getting your mail that goes there, need to pick up your mail or get it forwarded or something. Its not their problem you're dodging them.

AC#2: I'm sorry, I tried but the grammar is so bad i'm not understanding the details of your story.

AC#3: When I speed and get a ticket, I pay it. I deserve to pay it and I dont whine about screwing the corrupt system. Furthermore, if i feel i'm being pulled over when i wasnt speeding, i still pull over when the cop is trying to pull me over. I dont decide the fact i'm not speeding means i can ignore the police and keep on driving my merry way with the cops lights trailing me. If the guy wasnt the father and knew it, he fucking still needed to respond to the childsupport department saying so, that he wasnt the father. Judging from his actions, I'm betting he was surprised by the test results himself and thought he might have been the father. It makes no sense he carried on the way he did.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 24, 2007 at 12:29 PM
squee, I agree whole with you 100% as I wrote a similiar story. Why not at least answer the summons and explain the situation to the cou
courts. Filing a motion for paternity is another option he could've had done along time ago. It cracks me up there so unsure there the
Father after child support orders have been put in years before. Then still want to build a relationship with the child thereafter. This
guy who fussing must have been one of those father's that's why he's fussing (or maybe he hasn't been a Father to his kids at all.
Respectfully squee I agree.
Respectfully
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:01 AM
Speaking from expierence. I have a daughter who is 11. All along thinking her Father was her Father. We had DNA done when
she was two, found out different and it was devistating for really the both of us. "CALL ME WHAT YOU WANT" Anyway this child has
grown up with this Man as her Father because he said he'd Love her regardless and no matter what. She too carries his last name
and visits with family all the time. Child Supoort was never dropped because of the test and he new of this. I made several attemps
to drop it and they said he had to be there and appear before a judge to do so. In which he didn't wany to do. Taking care of my
daughter when he got ready and not reporting to probation for payments caused him to get locked up. Now he wants the case
dismissed which isn't a problem because the judge ordered this in the first place. I had never filled out the papers but appeared
in court for domestic reasons with him and they put the support order in regardless of the test results. He wants out and doesn't
want to talk care of this child because he's still hurt (which is fine). Although he wants to still see and contact her. The original Father
was murdered in 1997 and she was told little about him, let alone that he was her Father....Like I said call it what you want but my
child would be crushed and so would his Family if I pulled her away. It's been so long and she has grown into this motivated young
lady, I will not be breaking her heart and won't allow him to jump in and out of her life either. She has a full scholarship at a private
school and is excelling now....I won't break her spirits...he could of walked away along time ago after he's built this relationship
thinking and saying he's going to do it now will only hurt him. He has no other children....This is a two way street......God Bless
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 30, 2007 at 11:00 AM
no, not all summons are hand delivered as squee says.
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squee spoke on Jan 30, 2007 at 01:59 PM
Still isnt the courts fault if you dodge the government by giving them a false address, thats a laughable excuse for failing to appear.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 11, 2008 at 07:34 AM
Women are lying spiteful cunts and our child support system is a fallucy.The men who created this system(or women most likely)should be drug from their homes into the street and shot!!!Sounds like you idiots are trifling with something you have no idea about!!!Prove me wrong,come on, post me back...I GOT SOMETHING FOR YA!!!
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 11, 2008 at 07:35 AM
This poor guy is am victim
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:06 AM
gee I'm scared, someone's talking hard online
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Feb 27, 2008 at 12:27 PM
if he singed the birth certifacte I think he should still pay not be an a** about not being with her any more and he should had a dna test done when the baby was first born

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