I ain't seen nuttin' comin'

This is my favorite article ever.

Nerdy girls still need to give up the puss, swallow, and take it up the azz to get any handsome guys.

Once I get my Ranger up to level 50 I'm going to go get some of those babes for myself.

I recommend spending a little money on material from this guy:

www.doubleyourdating.com

I do not work for him, and this info is available elsewhere, but I've never seen all the good info condensed into one source. If only I had learned this stuff 10 years earlier.

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Dont wait until hell freezes over and the women realize that nerds rule. Instead, learn from this guy. Learn how to act confident, act like your not too impressed with the women, and learn how to treat them (almost) like shit. Of course, theres more to it than that, but he's got it figured out.

Also, read this:

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oh yeah, check this site out too. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I must admit that when I travel, I'm looking for a woman to keep. Yeah, I want to get laid too, but IF I find a keeper, she's coming back with me (hopefully).

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I'm 32, white, successful, decently good looking, and sick of the women here in southern california. I'm either goin to find my wife in another country, or in a place like oklahoma. I used to travel for fun, now I travel to hunt for my future wife. Next stop is Croatia. Why Croatia? HOT HOT women. Never would of thought. New Zealand had some decent chicks that were not stuck up bitches, same with Costa Rica (I will return there soon). In Costa Rica, beware of any women who live at the beach, they are most likely coke whores.

Those brainless jocks way back in highschool are now working as mechanics and shoe salesmen. Whilst the skinny geeks are now making mad loot building websites( no offense ricky) and inventing shit for NASA.
It all boils down to cash. No money= no honey.

Dude, having cash makes finding a quality woman more difficult. A friend of mine is very well off, and inherited a very very nice house. To find a good woman, he rented an apartment and bought a used honda.

Also, here's a trick for you guys. Don't get married. Have a ceremony, but dont have a licensed guy do the marriage. Dont fill out the paperwork. Tell your woman that you want a common law marriage. But only do this if you live in a state the does not recognize common law marriages, such as california. That way, when things dont work out, you were never married in the first place, so child support is the ONLY expense you'd have to deal with. Getting her to go along with this will take a good story, but its eaiser than getting her to agree to a pre or post numptual agreement.

I here there are loads of hot single women in Lebanon. Right Hoochie? :D

Arab women are bitches.

Be like a bunch of other guys and be yourself and treat the girl that you care about just like that: like you care about her. Sincerity is more important than cool. MajicWalrus seems to be doing a fine job. Maybe he should make a website selling "Be yourself" propoganda and make a bunch of money off of the obvious. Instead of spending your money and time on objects and tips to "make women like you better," you could go for real women who will be genuinely interested in the real you and skip all of the crap and learning the lesson the hard way in the middle. You don't need to date a barbie to feel good. Most likely, if you date a barbie, you'll end up hating her and go for a realistic girl instead one shaped from a silicone cookie cutter.

I thnk it's time for you to admit you are a female. It's quite obvious. Or you are a young virgin male.

Even the not-so-hot women in southern california, where I'm from, are fucked up bitches.

Guys, read the material. Trust me. And yeah, when you do run across a quality woman you are attracted to, who likes you for who you are, then be yourself, and count your blessings. I live on the ocean in southern california, and 99% of the hot women have to be played if you want them to give it up. It's a sad fact of life.

Where did you get the idea that oklahoma was a good place to look for a keeper wife? Perhaps you didn't know that oklahoma's divorce rate is second highest in the nation, outdone only by NEVADA. This plan has all the intelligence of making life preservers out of lead.

Do I get a nerdy boyfriend or a hot boyfriend? I'm so confused!

my buddy just moved from LA to Oklahoma, and said "oh my god, the women here are real, not fake lyin bitches" and this dude is a bigtime player. fucked ALL the hot girls in town, and all their friends. Fucked a pair of hot sisters at the same time, etc etc. He's a total loser, but I trust his judgement on women.

My research has shown that women in the teaching profession that work with slow or handicapped are absolutley crazy in the sack. Must be all that pent up emotion from dealing with those kids all day.

I had two and I was batting 1000.

Leave squirrel alone!

I wasn't hiding the fact that I am a girl. I'm definately open about being a girl....I dunno why you felt the need to prompt me to admit it. Also, I'm dating MajicWalrus who happens to be fairly geeky and I like him pretty well. Most of the girls I know prefer a geeky guy to an asshole. I don't know what type of social situation you're in, whether it's intimate moments with the whores that pretend to take your abuse in exchange for a handful of money or whatever...But I don't know of a girl that would "give it up" to a guy just because he treated her like crap.

Sounds like a good source to me....

Does that go for weird summer school program mentor/teachers and future english teachers?

I dunno... but there is only one way to find out.

Its a perspective difference. Your experience is that most women don't act this way. however its also entirely believable that he's dated nothing but lying bitchy what-have-you's. It makes sense, because what decent woman would date a guy like this? It's a self-limiting problem. There's lots of fish in the sea, and plenty of decent guys to choose from, so there's really no incentive for worthwhile women to go with this guy, hence he's left with nothing but the fuck ups.

they are only bitches when you marry more than 7 of them. Keep the number of wives below that threshold, and all is good. If you marry less than 4 of them, you can get threesomes and foursomes and fivesomes out of them.

This is all according to arab culture, of course, so dont take my word for it

If you want to be seen with a cool guy, in front of all your friends, then get played, then watch him fuck all your friends one by one, then by all means go for the hot looking player.

If you want a guy who wont lie to you and wont cheat on you, and will treat you well, then go for the nerd.

If you cant make up your mind, stick with your vibrator.

It was obvious by what you typed that you are female. I guess I could of looked up your user profile and found out, but I'm new here, havent created an account yet. I'd also venture to say you are probably 17 years old.

Note that I specifically said "treat women (almost) like shit". Note the "almost".

As for your assertion that you dont know any women who would give it up to a guy who treated her like crap, well, your misunderstanding me. I never said to treat women like crap. Allow me to elaborate:

Hot women are very selective about who they will fuck. All women are selective, per mother nature, because they are the ones that get pregnant. Hot women are more selective because every guy wants to fuck them. Men on the other hand, are much less selective. If a hot hot women is a total airhead, or doesnt even speak english, or is a bitch, etc, a man would still fuck her. Now, reverse the situation, and you will find that most women will only fuck a guy if he meets certain criteria. It's not so much about how he looks (unless he's very unattractive), but about how he carries himself. How he acts, speaks, etc. I have observed time and time again normal guys (not great looking) getting all the hot women. I've also observed good looking guys who were too kind, and came across as not having a backbone, and they would get nowhere. I used to be one. Women are programed by mother nature to be attracted to confidence. If a hot woman knows she can have a guy, and knows he wants her badly (because he's so attentive, offers to buy her drinks, calls her all the time, etc etc) then she is less likely to fuck him. Now if that same guy can learn to act like he's not very impressed with her, to not get caught checking out her tits, and to come across as funny and cocky and appears to care less if she will fuck him or not, then he's getting laid.

As you grow up, assuming you are as young as I think you are, you will observe this too. Just watch.

Guys: you know on the nature channel how animals have certain mating habits? Like a male bird that has to sing just right, hop around in some dance, or build some next, then he gets the girl? Notice how the scientists say "the males that do this have sex all the time, whereas the males that do not do this get none"... Well my friends, that's how it is with humans too. We are a part of the animal kingdom, and we have our own mating games. You MUST accept this as a fact, and learn to play the game. If you guys dont learn this stuff while your young, you will end up being older (I'm 32) before you finally accept reality how it is, instead of refusing to accept it. This is life. Learn how to get the women to put out, while your young, and you will live a better life. I was in denial for a long time, and was a "nice guy" for way too long. I know a guy who's almost 50, and just now "figured it out". well, it's too late for him. DO NOT be one of these people. Nothing is more sad in life than being one of these types of guys.

The funny thing is, when the smarter hot women get older, they realize that they dont want to marry the type of guy that they normally date. Those same women will come back around, and assuming your successful, honest, etc etc, and they will be eyeing you as a husband. They will have their biological clock ticking, blah blah. Well, when this happens, act interested, complain about not being able to find a good woman for a "quality relationship", then fuck the hell out of them WITH a rubber, then make up some excuse to not have a relationship with them. Don't be too much of a dick, or they will tell all the other hot women, and then your not going to get any from them either. Just say something like "you are SOOO hot, and you used to cheat on your boyfriends, so I just cant get myself to trust you. Men will ALWAYS be hitting on you, even when your 50, and I dont want to be one of those guys who is always worrying about my wife cheating." Let her try to convince you that she's honest all she wants, but DO NOT back down. I'm at that phase in life where this shit is happening to me all the time. I own my own home, have a great career, make good money, and many of the hot women who denied me when I was younger, becuase I was too much of a nice guy nerd, are now eyeing me for a husband. So I fuck the hell out of them, then toss them. Why? Thats all they deserve, thats why. Plus, any woman who has dated nothing but losers for over a decade is obviously hooked on them. All this type of woman will do is use you, and keep fucking the losers. These women WILL cheat on you, then divorce you when you reach the 10 year point so they can get alamony. Beware, you have been warned.

Oh yeah, one other pointer for you guys, wear sunscreen every day. It will make you look younger as you get older. I use the spray on type. I did this because skin cancer runs in my family, and I've got a baby face, I still get carded every once in a while. I'm able to get 21 year old hotties who wouldnt normally fuck an older guy. My brother, who is almost my identical twin, didnt, and he looks a lot older than me.

Oh, here's yet another pointer for you guys: do you make decent money, but cant and dont want to attend college (lots of pussy in school, OH MY GOD, lots of pussy)? Well, sign up, and hire somebody to go in your name. Having a degree DOES help later on in life, trust me.

Dude, it's obvious that the only hope you have left in life is that you're a compulsive liar and everything you've written is false. Otherwise you're just one more reason The Lifetime Network stays in business.

You want to have sex with me next year?

Isnt the lifetime network a bunch of programming for old women and families? What do they have to do with this subject?

Considering the signature on your message, I bet your still in high school. That signature gives a "I'm afraid of the rat race" type of impression, at least to me. I can picture Bob Marley playing, and you at some high school party you are glad to have gotten into, hanging around the keg, eyeing the girls, but not having the guts to go talk to them. Sublime used to play at the local parties when I was in high school. Right when they went big Bradley (lead singer) overdosed on heroin. Everybody felt so sorry for him. Personally, I'd piss on his grave. That guy had everything going for him, and he chose to stick a needle in his vein. he had the very hottest women in town, one after another. A record contract just signed. The ability to travel the world as PART OF HIS JOB. He was good looking, young, talented, etc. Well, I'm getting off topic.

Back when I was in high school, if you even owned a computer you were considered a nerd. Now it's different, and that's great. So the original article about nerds being better lovers has some truth to it. Problem is, nerds being cool is just a passing fad. Don't believe me? Wait 10 years.

I'm not asking you to believe me or change your ways. I'm just telling it how it is. Keep a copy of my message, and look at it when your 32. See if there are at least a few truths in it that you now accept.

It also depends on where you live. From what I'm learning, people in rural america, like the middle of the country, are quite different than on the coasts. Like up in Oregon, they generally hate people from California, and I understand why. Most of the people around here are ignorant liberal hippocryte assholes. It feels weird being a conservative republican surrounded by liberal democrats who would vote for John Kerry. I guess I should move out to the country, be around some real people. Fuck LA.

Well MagicWalrus, I clicked on your profile (that was easy), and see that you are in Beaver, West Virginia, with a population of about 1300. My home town has a population of over 600,000, my high school senior class was about 1000 people. So you and I come from very different places. In your town, you know everybody, so people have to be cool. Unfortunately, in the bigger cities people can be assholes because they may never see you again. Personally, I prefer people from small towns. I bet in your place people are real, and fortunately for you, most of the stuff I'm talking about doesnt apply.

Everything I've been talking about is part of the reason people on small towns like yours don't like the city folks. I live in the city, and I dont like most of them either.

About 8 years ago I ran into a book at a bookstore. It was titled "How to Succeed with Women", so I thought "hmmm" and grabbed it and sat on a couch in the store and thumbed thru it. I never actually bought it, instead each time I went there I read a few more chapters. Anyhow, the topic of this thread had me lookup the book at amazon. I'm going to buy it, even though I think I already know whats in the book. The reason is that it deserves to be on my bookshelf.

Anyhow, check out this comment on amazon by a reader, regarding the book:

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I came across this book while searching for books on numerical methods in engineering; the author's name was similar. The title caught my eye and brought back forgotten memories of 20 years ago, so I read the example pages and spent a few minutes reading many of the reviews.

I'm writing to sincere, awkward-feeling guys looking at this book. I can symphathize with you because I once bought and read a book like this 20 years ago when I was lonely, poor, uneducated, skinny, and unconfident. Looking back, that book didn't really do much to help me. However, I can say that now I'm: happily married (10 yrs+) to a teen beauty queen (she's in her 30's now) from a multi-millionaire family, have 2 kids, moderately well-off financially, PhD in engineering, 6' 3" 245 lb muscled physique, and happy about life. The key is that the first two came only after latter four were accomplished!

More useful than these types of books were some ancedotes regarding women told to me by my grandmother and by my father. I remember mentioning my nervousness regarding girls I liked, to which my grandmother somewhat laughingly replied, "You have a sister you talk with all the time, don't you? Girls you date aren't much different than her." I remember in high school complaining to my father about how girls were only interested in guys with fast cars, and money, and were great atheletes. He (who had a PhD in Biology) said, "That's how the world works; a girl is looking -- even if unconsciously -- for a situation to successfully raise her children (even those children yet to be born). So why wouldn't she look for money, strength, and looks? Female birds select the male with the best territory and with the best coloring. The doe looks for the buck with the best antler rack and physical stength who will best be able to fend off wolves. And so on..." That set me on a mission lasting about 10 years in which I didn't do that much dating, but simply improved myself.

How to Succeed With Women? Go spend 5+ years and be successful in something you passionately love, get in good health and physical shape, practice conservative finances (see Dave Ramsey's book "Financial Peace" or similar), and you'll create an attitude and lifestyle (ie, the male bird's superior territory) which will ATTRACT the best women, and more than you'll want.

The "fast food, I-want-it-now without-any-work" philosophy is destroying America. Go improve yourself and do the work that will make you attractive to a fine women and forget the "lines" and "attitude" that only make you look like a croaking bullfrog.

-- From an older guy ...

you guys are disagreeing while discussing two different things.

the anonymous coward is spouting of playing the field, being a "player", and what not. his goal in mind is a one night stand. a quick lay. his method is manipulation. it's all about not being genuine and basing all of your requirements on things that will fade over time.

meanwhile, squirrel is more of the commitment mind. she's seeing things as more of a suitor for marriage perspective. for her it's more the closeness of a significant other, someone to rely on and share your life with. a true mate.

ergo, the anonymous coward is a shallow pig.

squirrel holds the same opinion as myself. the anonymous coward is the reason that divorce rates are so high. i'm honestly disgusted.

thank you, squirrel.

Why don;t you have sex with squirrel and we can kill two stones with one bird.

I don't think I'm a shallow pig, but I can understand your perspective. The reason I've been posting here is that I get the impression that there are lots of young geeky men on this site, and I used to be one, before the web existed. (wow, 1993 is now "a long time ago?") So I had a message for these guys, so I jumped into this thread. If I had been set straight when I was in high school, things would have been different. Not understanding women earlier is truely one of the biggest regrets of my life.

I've simply had to adapt in order to get what I want. I'm the type of person who can stay focused on a goal, and usually get it. Career, home, retirement account, travel the world, etc. All of those things were "left side of the brain" type of things, with the left being the logical side. That part of my mind worked great. Picking up hot women for casual sex is definately a right side of the brain task, and I failed at it miserably for many years in a row. It's about being in touch with instincts, it's not about thinking logically. I'm not bad looking, and have been told I'm good looking, so it was obviously the way I was handling myself. I was the nice guy. I treated these women really well, and simply got taken advantage of. They would never fuck me, but they would hook up with total losers that had already done some (or all) of their friends. I'm not just talking about the sluts, but even the "good girls". Watching this occur time and time again was simply mindblowing. I was not perpetually single, having a girlfriend was doable and it happend a handful of times. In fact I was only dumped by one girlfriend out of 5 total. I treated them very well. But having a girlfriend and casual sex with are two DIFFERENT things.

What I'm trying to convey here is that if a man wants casual sex from hot women, then they must accept how things are (in their area). In my area, it's the big city on the coast. In a small rural town of about a thousand or two, it's most definately a different game.

For a long time, I knew in the back of my mind how the game is played, I just could not come to accept the truths that were right in front of me. Once I finally accepted reality for what it is, I was FINALLY able to start picking up on very hot women, and getting them to have sex with me. That's what my story is. At around age 27 I began to play the game and not lose everytime. It could have happened at age 21 as far as I'm concerned.

Also, smoking lots of weed was also a big part of the problem for me. It gave me a low level of anxiety and self doubt. Never had a modivation problem with it, until recently. Since that was a threat to my career, therefore my standard of living, I quit.

As Dave Chappell once said "Don't get me wrong, I LIKE getting high, but I like pussy better. The End."

but see... you still don't truly understand women. you just understand how to manipulate women. you adapt to get what you want. the movie coming out, wedding crashers. thats what you are. you put on a farce. you act differently around different people to get what you want. these women are just easy pawns in your game. why you choose casual sex over a long meaningful relationship, i'll never fully understand.

and weed is just stupid.

He doesn't truly understand how to manipulate women either. He only knows what the self-help books for bitter losers tell him, which is stuff that sounds like it works but doesn't, so he'll keep failing with women and keep needing to buy their books. What a tool.

Lewis Scolnik said it best: “Jocks only think about sports, nerds only think about sex.”

No need for insults, ma'am.

You misunderstand one of my most important points:

I didn't run across the literature until AFTER I figured out the important things myself. I truly regret not researching my problem in the same way I would any other challenge. I always did well in school, yet I was too ignorant to say to myself "hey, I doubt I'm the only person with this problem. I bet others have ran into it too, and probably written about it." Such a mistake on my part, of that magnitude, is something that I regret. I've known since Jr. High school that men and women have been writing about relationships / lust / pursuit / etc forever. The renaissance period is full of it. Granted the internet didn't exist in its current form, but their WERE books on the subject. MANY of them. And I'm not talking specifically about just sex, but confidence, convincing yourself that it's not a serious issue, etc etc.

My mistake was not taking on the problem with the same effort that I would take on other problems.

Fixing my confidence, not being intimidated by the situation, and convincing myself that it really doesn't matter very much if I fail or succeed helped me do better in other things in life, such as job interviews. If you REALLY think about it, a job interview and a first date are much more the same than they are different. Both are an interview. Both require you to sell yourself. Both require you to both be yourself but also put forth your good side. Both require confidence, but not over-confidence or under-confidence. Both require a display of trustable qualities. And the list goes on.

Women act different when they are meeting men for the first time, so please don't accuse me of doing anything wrong when trying to tell the men that they should act different when they are meeting women for the first time.

I also overcame my problem with public speaking, which is a whole different subject all together. I NEVER thought I'd be comfortable in front of a group of people, I was ALWAYS shy when doing this back in school. I never thought I could feel comfortable in a bar, and DEFINITELY not be able to approach hot women, and DEFINITELY not be able to have sex with them.

My main message for the guys here is that most challenges that you think you can not overcome, CAN be overcome, and doing so is a part of life. You must rise to the challenge, and not give up. Determination is one of the most powerful forces in life. When taking on the tough challenges, be a fucking Marine and accept death before defeat.

Squee, since you appear to be a young female down in oceanside, I can predict that you will observe some of your friends going for certain guys, and you will be thinking to yourself "why the hell is she going for THAT loser?" When this happens, time and time again, remember what I was saying about men playing women. The confident losers will get laid, the nice smart guys will be passed up. I know how the scene is down there, because its the same as it is here.

Most women don't even know why they do some of the things they do (I'm not claiming men are different / superior). That's the reason why talking with most women about "what the hell am I doing wrong" got me nowhere; they didn't know themselves. A few women were helpful, but most were not. Furthermore, some of them thought it was hilarious. You might think you ladies are kind, and men are cruel, but in reality it goes both ways.

Goals like casual sex make you a shallow pig.

Actually, I do live in Beaver, but in a town with a population of only 1300 you can imagine it's pretty small, so I do leave my house from time to time but not quite often enough to meet 1300 people. I do not know everyone in my town, or any surrounding town. And no one has to be cool, and the people here are pricks too! See we have something in common, I live around lots of pricks and you are one.

Because of your message of casual sex as a lifetime goal you've made men, like me, out to look like jerks, like you.

Now don't get me wrong, I didn't say you were a jerk, you might have a nice life, but you're sounding like a jerk. This makes women... Well... At least every woman on this site, not like you or want to have sex with you.

Also, I'm not in high school and the sig was not meant to give an "afraid of the rat race" impression. It's a quote from a movie/book about a global revolution yadda yadda... but that's not really important.

If you think that being geeky to be cool is the prospect of most people known as geeks you are probably really really wrong. Most people known as geeks probably don't realize how freaking cool they really are because they don't care about that. Maybe that's what makes geeks better lovers, not having a preoccupation with adjusting their lifestyle to be cool enough to get laid.

By that reasoning, I would assume that most of the male members of this site are also shallow pigs? Assuming most of them would like to have some casual sex with an attractive woman. Hmmm....?

If that's the case, then why is this site so sexist? Such as labeling women as "hotties" like Gwen Stefani. Perhaps the maintainers of this site need to become more politically correct and censor such material.... thereby making this site less popular.

Every few days an email is sent from the site listed above, that I had recommended to the guys to look into. I don't always agree with all of it, but sometimes there's some interesting stuff. Here's a cut and paste from the most recent email. Notice how she states that the guys is "not the greatest looking guy, nor is he unappealing", so she's talking about an average joe. Note how the guy is playing her, and how much she loves this particular type of attention. In my opinion, she seems like the most common type of woman, so this particular example, in my opinion, applies to most women. Note how the guy acts like he's not all that interested, and it drives her crazy. We all know this guy wants her badly, but he's not letting it show. Even she probably knows he wants her badly, and she's impressed that he's not letting it show.

(and the million year old game continues)


***COMMENT FROM A WOMAN***

First of all, I am a WOMAN, and I want to let you know that your tips to men are absolutely right
on! I read your "dating tips" email every single time I receive it, and find it extremely amusing.
I can tell you right now that I know a man who is absolutely driving me crazy while ( I believe
unknowingly), using your techniques. He is NOT the greatest looking guy I know, nor is he
appealing in what you might call a typical way. He is so interesting because, while I know he is
interested in me, he is NOT at all obnoxious about it- not demanding, not wimpy. Just cool. He tosses
cocky comments at me, he does not HANG all over me- keeps a little distance, but always returns.
He surprises me. He is INTERESTING!!!! He sends me gifts occasionally, but not on the right day-
for instance: Valentines- I get a call two days after the day- he says "o yeah, I havent got
around to it yet, but I have something for you-maybe I can stop by today and drop it off" Then he
will come by when I am not even there and leave it with my secretary. Other times, he so obviously
responds to something I said, (like a preference I have for some place) and acts on it LATER. He
doesn't jump on everything I say with an instant response, trying to "get" me. I don't know
exactly what to expect next, and he has me mesmerized! I will add, though that he has
manners, and is a gentleman- NOBODY likes an rude a**hole trying to pass for cocky and funny! Trust
me, I run into guys hitting on me all the time. The typical "in your face" stuff just makes me
want to get away from them. No matter HOW he does it, a guy that is too DIRECT (either aggressively
or obviously passively) gets NO CHANCE. Any man who wants to attract a decent woman and keep her
attracted would do well to utilize your techniques.

s.l.

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There is a need for insulting if exposing your stupidity is something you find insulting. I think some women are kind and some are cruel, just as some men are decent and others are cruel. I don't even think its bad if you only want casual sex, its your life and there's plenty of women out for the same thing. What makes you a jerk is that you've set yourself up to succeed only with bitchy women and then have the nerve to claim that all women are bitches. A casual sex lifestyle and high-quality women are mutually exclusive, and most mature players know thats how it works and accept it without complaint. You on the other hand are crying and whining about the lack of high quality women since subscribing to this lifestyle. Gee, ya think? You claim to know exactly how to get what you want from hot women, but then you're clearly all pissed and unhappy with what you've gotten so far. Your bitterness about the whole population of women in your area i think is a testament to how poorly your drivel works.
If by loser you mean somebody who is obviously out to use my friend and treat her like shit, yeah I have some female friends who go for those losers. Everybody has a few of those self-destructive friends and there isn't much you can do about it. Its exactly the same thing as what you are doing. I first noticed that phenomenon with women, who've decided all men are asshole players, but at the same time the only guys they consider good enough to date are of a certain status that makes them a player usually. Thats not really fair to men as a whole. But your angle is such that only these self-destructive types will go anywhere near you, and thats your problem, the same way its a womans fault if she limits herself to asshole types.

and here's another link for you guys, actually its a collection of links from the author of that site I was talking about. Lots of important topics are covered here.

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So before you get all insulted again, let me outline for you how this stuff is reeling you in but continuing to doom you so as not to lose your patronage. On that page under How to impress any woman: This starts out with some pretty sensible advice about how women aren't fooled by lame transparent attempts to impress them, because its just pathetically obvious when you're making up dumb shit, so stop trying so hard to impress them. Then it gives you 2 examples of things you could say, one line that sounds real and one thats a lame transparent line thats sounds like its trying to impress someone. They then proceed to tell you to use the lame transparent line! And it guides you further on doing the opposite of the stuff that reeled you in in the first place. Really, i'm just trying to help you out here. Its no wonder every woman in LA has turned you down if you've been following this advice.

Hottie isn't really that derogatory of a term and it doesn't just apply to females, there is a male section to the Hotties as well. Also, by assuming that most men would like to have casual sex with an attractive woman is an extremely sexist thing to say.

You are not paying attention. I was getting turned down all the time back when I was a "nice guy" who didnt show any confidence. Then I figured out that I need to act like I'm not impressed, and not talking to a hot woman. I need to act like I'm talking to my aunt, or sister, etc. I observed the guys who were getting all the women, all the time, and saw that they acted a certain way. Then I "got with the program" and started acting that way, and my success rate went way up. Now I run across literature which I should have read years ago, this stuff has been around forever. The problem is ancient, and I wasted about a decade banging my head against a wall.

Since you are obviously not understanding what I'm saying, let me say this: "I got nowhere when I was a nice guy, now I get what I want when I act a certain way, including acting like I'm confident, not turned on, not impressed, and could care less if she's interested or not."

I hope you can get this message thru your skull this time, airhead.

Fuck off, you liberal moron, and accept reality for what it is.

You're acting like a cocky pig to impress your girlfriend. Perhaps you have yet to realize this behavor belongs to exactly the type of person you claim to dislike.

what a fucking hippocryte.

To understand women, and how to play them, listen to Tom Leykis. You can download recordings of his radio show off the internet.

Yeah, he's a pig, whose priority is to get ratings. Yeah, his listeners are young males (big advertising $).

However, a lot of what he says is the truth.

Many women hate him, some women call in and talk on his show and agree with how women are.

Yeah, sure you do. I saw what you wrote the first time and it just fed my opinion that you don't really get the oppurtunity to string anyone along. You might want to reread your literature again, the part that explains how pathetically obvious it is when you make shit up just to impress. It goes into great detail about how women have to read between the lines when what you say and how you act sound totally different. You never did respond to my post earlier above, but I delineated it up there how your attitude and supposed experience don't add up. Your attitude is one of somebody who gets rejected all the time, so forgive me if I don't take your daydreams as reality. I'm just doing what your bible says I do, reading between the lines of what you said.

That site is certainly not a "bible", but I do consider it quality info. Getting laid and finding a quality woman are two different things. There have been two messages I've been trying to say, and one of them is that quality women are rare - especially in the LA area and probably other areas - according to my experience and my friends, the other is that the challenge of getting casual sex from hot women can be overcome and I wasted a decade not trying to overcome it. The closest I've come to finding Ms. Right was a great woman who would not quit smoking cigarettes, so I've almost had what I'm looking for and consider myself a decade behind since I used to not be able to get hardly any women, be it the desirable "keepers" or just for sex. I'm not aware of your post higher up, I will look at it now. Believe or disbelieve what I type, that's fine. If I was somebody else, I'd probably have a hard time believing that a friend of mine had a threesome with a pair of sisters, I myself didn't believe it.

You are still an airhead.

You are close, but that's not exactly the situation. I don't try to find quality women in bars, or even at the beach. Lately I tend to hang out in bookstores.

I agree that trying to live a player lifestyle and seeking quality women are mutually exclusive, and I agree with most of what else you said. I'm not expecting a player lifestyle to give me a quality woman, and since I just got out of a 10 month relationship, I also haven't been living a player lifestyle.

I have simply been having bad luck trying to find a Ms. Right, and because of my age, I have a rule that I will end a relationship if I know I will never marry her, and this isn't exactly a painless rule to live by. Most of the women I would have wanted to marry are already married, or moved away, or with boyfriends that I can't pull them away from (yet).

Unfortunately, even some of the "quality women" are as much cheaters as some casual sex "players" I've known. Know what the big difference is between them? Most of the players don't lie about it, whereas the "quality" women think they are smart enough to pull it off, even if I've lived in the same town my entire life (fucking idiots). From what I'm understanding, this happens less in less populated areas of the country. In liberal california and new england, in the populated areas, there is a certain culture in women (and men) that is less desirable.

Here's the run down:

Last girlfriend was diagnosed as bipolar while with me and would never give up her cigarettes but was not a cheater, the bipolar thing was so minor I looked past it, the cigarette thing drove me nuts, I met her via a blind date from trustable friends. She wasen't a player or a cheater. I doubt I need to explain what smoking a pack a day since 16 years old is a turn off, let alone the psychology behind a person who wants to look cool in front of their friends when they know it's unhealthy as can be, and later does not have the willpower to quit, yet exercises every day and uses moisturizing lotion to help her face, while the cigarettes is ruining her skin and health. I've known other women who are vegetarians for health reasons, and smoke cigarettes.

The one before her ended up to be a closet coke addict who would fuck her dealer in order to support the habit, I've known her since high school, she was never a "player" type, nor uptight. Thought she quit doing coke long ago, guess not.

The one before her broke up with me because I "might" be starting a new job in another city, even though she was invited to come with me. No big deal, that was not a bad luck woman but just somebody who liked her life the way it was. So she does not count in my assertion that quality women are rare.

One before that gave her number to a guy I know at a bar, while she was supposingly working a night shift. I met her at Taco Bell, not a bar. She didn't seem like a player, but obviously was. We were almost a year into the relationship, and I wonder how may guys she fucked while with me. She had "night school", I wonder....

The one before her I did meet in a bar, and was a player, obviously, and was only in a relationship with me to use me for a few months. From that point on, I decided not to be in serious relationships with chicks that frequent bars. No surprise with this story.

Now for any hypocrisy charges: I don't lie, regardless if serious relationship or casual sex. I don't cheat on a girlfriend or somebody I'm "dating exclusively", whatever that means. So understand, I'm not one of the types that cheats on women and expects one that does not cheat on me.

I've had opportunities to jump into more relationships, but often times I know right away that I'd never want to spend the rest of my life with those women. They may have already fucked too many of my friends, which is a turn off I just cant get past. They may have been in rehab for being tweekers, even if it was 10 years ago I don't want them. They may a reputation for cheating on their previous men. They don't have to be hot hot women. So I'm not demanding anything that's unreasonable.

The fact is, southern california has MANY fucked up people, and half of them are women. The hollywood / follow the herd mentality is the problem, along with other reasons.

So, there you have it. Call me a liar, or ignore what I'm saying, or understand that quality women are rare.

I'm sick of this conversation. You are a woman, we can never agree on this subject.

To the young men out there: I hope you pay attention to what I'm saying, because my story is about as UN-unique as they come. I've taken the type all this stuff for that reason. If I wanted to build up my ego and be a regular here, I would of made an account.

WTF did you go to school?

Rhinofucktard.

They have very aromatic and flavorful hairy camel toes.

That skank had been trying to smoke crackphetimine with my F.C., my mistake. I will never pay her that sawbuck she worked so hard for, easy come easy go.

I am the expert on radio and I can tell you that licus is a fucking fag you damn lie. I was listening long before that cocksucker ever made a ripple in the pond, bitch. And that no talent hack started off talking politics like all of the other hanger ons. When Stern and a few others started doing juvenile bathroom humor he just changed his tune like every other local no talent hack. Ha, you are entertained by boobie jokes? Fer crisakes all you juvenile delinquents will soon be in charge of the free world and you are a bunch of drooling numbnut fools who will be overran by a horde of hungry mongrel muslims and you are probably not men enough to recognize the threat or to even know how to defend yourself or your family or your country. You fucking pussies need to learn how to be men or you will be pussies dieing at the end of a bloody muslim sword. Mark my words bitches. And for those men who will step up, welcome to my foxhole!

Women do not logically decide who to be attracted to, and neither do men. It is an instinctive process that happens deep in the primitive part of the brain. Why else would good women with brains have sex with total losers? Why else would good men with brains, career, a future, and decent looks hook up with gold digging whores?

Attraction is not a logical process, if you boys learn that early you will be way ahead in the game.

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Tom Leykis doesn't know shit about politics, but he does know a few things about women.

You over estimate the threat posed by the Muslims or underestimate the toughness of the current generation. Talk to officers in the Army or Marines that are at least 40 years old, and ask them if the current generation is a bunch of pussys. They're not. Also, as more and more bombings occur, the liberal ignorant portion of the public will be forced to change their minds. Soon the British will stop accepting radical Muslims, same with the Dutch, possibly even the French. The radical ideology is quite flawed, they are their own worst enemy.

Now if you are referring to radicals taking over Pakistan and getting their hands on their poorly protected nuclear arsenal....? Then I agree. I consider that to be the single biggest threat in the future. There have been about 8 attempted assassinations of the president of Pakistan, sooner or later they will succeed. Then the radicals will give a few warheads to Bin Laden, and we will nuke Iran in response!