the link doesn't really match the post, and the post, well its messed up to begin with

Another pothead on a soapbox...

First off, i didn't put that link in, second you's obviously don't smoke the shit so your opinion is slightly off set. I was just trying to draw some facts to light, if anyone out there can put down a good argument for why hash should be illegal let me hear it. Seriously, if you can think of one reason as to why hash should be illegal and drink legal then fire on. Or if all you can do is bitch at what i posted then obviously you ain't got a fuckin clue.

You are right, the reasons to have drinking legal but pot not legal are pretty thin, but there are some. Everything i have to say about pot can most likely be said to a degree about booze too, in fact i might even argue that pot is not as bad as alcohol because it only turns people in to dumb asses instead of violent drunks. Personally i think the government should make pot more legal, and control the entry of pot in the country, hopefully they could add something to it as well, like something that you make you idiots unable to talk, i mean i went to high school and college, so I've met hundreds if not thousands of pricks who try to sound intellectual about their vice. I'm tired of hearing how its so good for the world, how its been used forever, bull crap. Its a drug, it may not be worse than alcohol, defiantly not worse than tobacco (which id love to get rid of too) but its a drug, a drug for idiots and losers. So stop your bitching, go get high and do something stupid so we don't need to hear from you again.

Did we strike a nerve? So if i'm a stupid stoner loser, why am i atteneding one of the top hundred universities in the world? Don't mean to rub it in, but i'd bet you'd like that you wee fag. I'm with you for letting the government control the retail of it, but wouldn't like the heavy mark up prices they'd impose. You seem a pretty agitated guy, maybe you could use a smoke? You still never gave me a good reason as to why it should be illegal other than "it's a drug for idiots and losers". Whereas alcohol is a 'legal' drug for idiots and losers which no one seems to have a problem with.

I put the link in just in case any Yanks don't know what the Labour party is or that there was an election last week.

Man, you have to let this whole pot thing go. The fact is Pot does have negative side effects. It has in fact killed people, and there are some who do get violent when going through THC withdrawal (it mellows you out, so naturally when you don't have it, you become agitated). I don't care if you can use it to make paper, oil, clothing, etc. The fact is people like you are smoking it, so we will never be able to legalize it for proper uses. Alcohol is not %100 legal. Its restricted to who can buy it, where you can consume it, and what you can do while consuming it (no driving, operating heavy machinery, etc). I agree that it has many valuable traits that could be used, but hey, so does asbestos, but we don't use that anymore either because it was improperly used in construction and killed a bunch of people.

The argument that since one is legal that the other should be is BS. Thats like me saying its legal to go 65 mph on the highway, so it should also be able to do it in the city because driving that fast can be dangerous in both places, or saying since farmers can drive tractors on county roads, I should be able to drive ATVs in the city. There are all sorts of problems with trying to legalize it, such as it would most likely be illegal to drive while high, so how would you test for it? Could a cop pull you over and then demand a piss sample like they can do with Breathalyzers? Would you be OK with that?

You make mention of medical uses. I agree that it has many uses, but that wouldn't give you a reason to smoke it. Would you be ok with the government legalizing it for medical use, but still banning it for recreational use like they do with most drugs like Ritalin? Sure Sudafed is good for allergies, but it is frowned upon when you make meth out of it.

I actually would be up for legalization and government control (so you don't get laced weed or any other screwy shit) but for you to come here and babble in incoherent sentences and multiple misspellings, you are only giving the anti-marijuana people fuel for their cause.

I concur that the criminalization of marijuana in the U.S, the U.K, and most of the rest of the world is arbitrary and non-sensical, and that the social evils brought on by its illegal status and the incursion on personal freedom brought on by its illegal status far outweigh any the negative impact which legalization would have. I believe marijuana should be legal, and I doubt any of the present foobies will be able to muster a convincing argument as to why pot should be illegal.

That said, if you're going to one of the top 100 universities in the world and the best counter-argument you can come up with is "i'd bet you'd like that you wee fag," you're not getting your money's worth.

Joe Cocomo

The argument that since one is legal that the other should be is BS. Thats like me saying its legal to go 65 mph on the highway, so it should also be able to do it in the city because driving that fast can be dangerous in both places, or saying since farmers can drive tractors on county roads, I should be able to drive ATVs in the city. There are all sorts of problems with trying to legalize it, such as it would most likely be illegal to drive while high, so how would you test for it? Could a cop pull you over and then demand a piss sample like they can do with Breathalyzers? Would you be OK with that?

I must disagree; that argument is not B.S, and your analogies are disingenous. The claim is that it marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol, and the danger posed by alcohol is not enough to justify banning is, so why should marijuana be banned?

Of course, it is weather alcohol or marijuana is the more dangerous drug is debatable. At present, alcohol accounts for a far greater amount of personal injury, crime, and economic loss, but that could change if marijuana was legalized.

I tend to believe that marijuana is, in fact, less dangerous than alcohol; during the four years I worked in emergency medicine, I saw lots and lots of drunks get hurt/killed, hurt/kill somebody else/die of alcohol poisoning, etc. The only patient I can remember whose primary malfunction involved marijuana was a woman who had smoked it for the first time and felt “icky.” I’m sure that if marijuana was legalized it would be involved in more incidents than at present, but I highly doubt it would be enough to justify the current state terrorism associated with it.

Finally, the breathalyser is just one component of the regimen police departments use to determine intoxication, and is generally less admissible in court than tests such as having a suspected drunk walk in a straight line. The police are more than competent to discern drivers under the influence of marijuana at the present time.

Joe Cocomo

Surely you can see the difference between weed's legal status and alcohol's status. Alcohol isn't 100% legal, but pot is 100% illegal. People who want weed to be legal would be fine with rules on who can buy it, where you can consume it, and what you can do while consuming it. Same with which cars you can drive where. If marijuana's legal status were analogous, there would be laws that say you can be high at home but not in public or something. However thats not at all analogous to weed's legal status. Its criminal to do anything anywhere with it.
My favorite part of the Harold & Kumar movie is the scene with an anti-marijuana ad showing a guy whose high, goofing off with a gun and sticking it in his mouth while his friend screams "Noooo! you're high you don't know what you're doing!" Sure, marijuana kills. But anyone attempting to argue it kills enough to be worth 100% illegalizing comes off a bit like that ad. Come on, so what if its only for losers, so is dungeons and dragons. Let things go but on the side of freedom.

I don't know about any pot head stickin a gun in his mouth but eitherway if he did he's only hurting himself and no one else. They could put that on the label like they do with alcohol and tabbacco, WARNING EFFECTS MAY CAUSE YOU TO BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT. Of coarse if it was legalised there would be thousands of implications as to where when and how much shuold be used, but i'd quite happily accept whatever they decree. I mean Amsterdamn has it legal but in a way that it doesn't cause any problems and yet everyone can still enjoy it. An it ain't just for losers, cause it's at least on par with drink, so that would make everyone who drinks a loser too, which isn't true so the same can be said for hash, if your a loser it'sjust down to peoples perceptions of you, or your own perceptions of yourself.

And you call yourself SCOTTISH!!! What the fuck! Name one pot smoker you know who has ever bothered anybody, i don't mean people who take pills and smoke pot, just the pot smokers. You know drink has worse affects on people, people drink a lot they get violent and disorientated, people smoke a lot of weed they get hungry and fall asleep. So quit ur bitchin, biatch! Unless you can give me a proper answer as to why hash is illegal in this country, why did both of Scotalnds red light districts get shut down, why can't i smoke a joint in the comfort of my own home? I'm dieing to know!

Who calls himself Scottish? What?

The respective claimed locations of the other posters in this forum are as follows:

EuroTrash: California, USA
RickySilk: Florida, USA
JumboGuy: No specific claim in his profile, but states he will be in "Bonnaroo" as of June.
MetalKing: Wisconsion, USA
Squee: California, USA
Myself: Certainly not Scotland.

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

I've long been a supporter of legalized marijuana, but what it appears to have done for you is fast making me change my mind.

Joe Cocomo

yeah, id call myself Scottish, i mean i have my passport from the UK, along with an American, since i was born in California. As for a dumb ass stoner who bothered me, Eric long, he was a boyscout with my brother, decent kid at first, never really that smart, got into pot got out of school i think hes in the army now. I have nothing against the army, i support our troops, but hes only in it because thats the only place who would take him, I'm fairly sure he scrubs toilets all day somewhere in South Carolina. then there's my neighbor from college who burnt his apartment because he was playing games while high, that bothered me, there's nothing fun about evacuating an apartment complex because some dumb ass set a couch on fire. As for your brilliance about being at either Oxford, St. Andrews or Cambridge, which i would assume thats where you attend, congrats, my dumb ass uncle went to oxford, i lived by there till i was 14, and i saw a whole bunch of dumb asses there. clearly you don't have to be smart to get into, or through college, it helps but there's no limit to stupidity in any university, whether its university of the highlands and islands or Massachusetts institute of technology. I'm not saying that smoking pot made you a dumb ass, what i'm saying is that you are a dumb ass, whether pot has helped that or you smoke because of your idiocy is irrelevant. As for why smoking is illegal, well, you live in a representative parliamentary system, where the voice of the people, in some form, controls the direction of the government, there fore smoking pot is not only illegal, it's un-Scottish, so shut your trap. The reason it will stay illegal is because most normal decent people don't want it to be legal, and idiots like you don't have the commitment, skill nor intelligence to form a legitimate convincing campaign to change their mind.

I know we're not talking about the US, but I'm darned suprised pot is illegal here and even more suprised at the crackdown on offenders.

I would assume in a country as capitalistic as the US that many moons ago someone would've made Mary Jane (prostitution as well) legal so they could tax the hell out of it and get some extra pot-smokers money.

I don't think you can easily tax something that can easily be grown at home.

Annoying as the reality of pot smokers are, I can still think of more drunks who have annoyed me in similar ways than stoned people.

If you put it in a package and call it cool you can tax it. People will be more apt to buy a pack of marijuannarettes then grow the pot themselves.

I'm sorry i never mean to offend but i usually do, i come from the highlands(north of Scotland) and it said on Eurotrashes info page that (and i quote), "im not really eurotrash, im more of a scottish smart ass" so i was under the impression that he was actually scottish, cant beleive you knew alan long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm reading smoke screen right now, i just finished Mr.Nice a book about Howard Marks and heard about this smoke sreen and was intriguied. He smuggled some amount of pot in his day like! Good on the guy!!!! Oxford? when i said i was in a top 100 university, it refers to Napier University and there school of business (its around 77) but so what if i am a dumbass, do you see me acting so judgmental towards you? I come from a very poor working class background and a very small town, where the only options were to get pissed or stoned or harder drugs. If you didn't do any of these you simply sease to exist. i can quite happily admit i was a raging alcoholic at the age of 17 getting pissed more than 7 times a week, perhaps this explains my stupidity, but try and leave the weed out of it, i don't drink anymore but i still smoke and it's almost impossible to start a campaign for hash legalisation, one the British government have never held or will never hold a debate on it, because they don't actually have a worthy reason to keep it illegal, also it costs a fucking shit load, now i don't know about you but i've had to buy everything i own since i was 15, and now with rent, food, travel costs, deposits, uni expenses all my cash is caught up trying to get threw uni. Also some of it goes on pot, but hay everyone has there insecurities. So don't you be blaming hash for your mates burning there flat, if i was an idiot before i smoked, they were going to burn that place down before they smoked!!! Fact of life it has never killed anyone drink has.

At last not an entirely negative reply!!!! Cheers like man!!!! Drunks can be very agitating espacially when your sober, but pot heads, they'll just make you laugh.

The big tobacco companies have already trademarked all the names like "Mary Jane" and "Acapulco Gold" in anticipation of the day marijuana becomes legal.

In any case, I severely doubt that even the big tobacco companies and their dark armies of lobbyists could vanquish the anti-marijuana interests entrenched in Washington. (Why there are anti-marijuana interests entrenched in Washington is another story, but they're there and there in there.)

Joe Cocomo