Rule #1, always carry a gun in the woods. Of the 8 people shot they went to meet him with something like one gun among them.

this looks a bit like one of the disfranchised Hmong in St. Paul got tired of people telling him where to go and what to do. You'll note that the land they argued over was an 80-acre private lot abutting a very large public area. Now either they guy couldn't read a map - or signs (if they were posted - which they usually are) and decided the people he shot were trying to snow him and he got mad - either way he's nuts - you don't hear of this sort of thing too often up here.

I've had this problem in the past, you buy some land near a public area, and every a-hole in the free world who can't read a map or a sign shows up opening morning and demands to be let in. I've called the local sheriff a time or two. But as I've said before, I almost never go for a walk in the woods during hunting season without a gun of some sort. HP usually carries his in downtown Minneapolis. I'd like to have seen this guy try this with with the people I know.... he wouldn't have gotten far. Hell, half my family are vets - one look at someone from SE Asia carrying a gun is enough to make some of them have flashbacks.

What's the Hmong?

The Hmong are immigrants from SE Asia. In their own culture they are largely discriminated against - stereotyped as being ignorant, dirty and poor. They live in the mountains of the region, throughout various countries like Laos, Cambodia and Viet Nam. Following the Viet Nam war thousands of them emmigrated to the US. Recently there has been a big push to allow more of them into the US.

St. Paul has a large Hmong population, the largest in the country I think. Just last year something like 30,000 more Hmong people were invited to immigrate to Minnesota. A lot of them had families, but most of them are coming without much knowledge, personal possesions or even the ability to speak English. The belief is that since there is a large population here already there are services set up to help them have an easier time. More so than if they tried to move to New York or some other region of the nation.

Interestingly enough it appears this person speaks English well. He is a naturalized citizen and after being told he had to leave, turned walked 40-yards or so, took the scope off his rifle and turned and shot three people. One of the injured called on his radio back to camp and 5 others were shot as they came to help, including a 27 year old girl. He shot her off her ATV as she was riding up to help.

It was strange when I moved to the St. Paul area I had only head briefly of the Hmong while reading about the Vietnam War. After I moved there I was amazed at how many Hmong there were in the St. Paul community. As a mutual friend of BlackElixer's, Hp's and mine said....... "The black and latino gangs are scared to death of the Hmong. A black or latino thug will hold up a gun and tell you he is going to shoot you to scare you..... a Hmong will just shoot you." Our friend has been a paramedic in St. Paul for many years.

Not that the Hmong are bad people.... They are a great, hard working community that is a benefit to the city. Part of the reason that they are here is that they are refugees from Vietnam, and they deserve the help of the USA for their part in that fucked up conflict called the Vietnam War [link] . If any group has a right to be here as refugees it would be them. I would just warn you.... don't piss em off. :o

Writing to an American who was confused about the Hmong people, Jack Austin Smith, a Vietnam Veteran and a retired career soldier, wrote the following in 1996 (quoted from his e-mail to me, with permission):

The war in Vietnam was fought on several fronts and I served in two them. The main American battle ground was in the Southern end of South Vietnam. In order for the North Vietnamese forces to fight us there, it was necessary for their supplies and troops to go through Laos and Cambodia on the Ho Chi Minh Trail, and Laos was controlled by a Pro-Communist Government at that time. Therefore America was not allowed to have any forces on the ground, although we were allowed to bomb and attack North Vietnamese troops with our aerial forces. About 99% of the combat forces on the ground were Hmong irregulars who were persuaded by Americans to forget about being neutral, and to fight the N. Vietnamese regulars (not relatively poorly trained Viet Cong guerrilla forces). We supplied air cover, but every combat trooper knows aircraft can't take and hold ground. We depended on the Hmongs to do this. Without modern arms, without medical help.
After the fall of Saigon we pulled out of Southeast Asia and left the Hmongs to continue the fight without air support. When we left, the Hmong had to fight both the Laotians and the N. Vietnamese. They could not fight tanks, heavy artillery and aircraft with rifles. A great many Hmongs were slaughtered in their villages. Many were slaughtered at airfields where they waited for evacuation planes that never came. A few were able to fight every foot of the way across Laos and cross the Mekong River into refugee camps in Thailand where they were further mistreated by rather corrupt UN and Thai officials. Out of a estimated 3,000,000 prewar Hmong population less than 200,000 made it to safety. One other ill informed or stupid writer said "they were all gone" meaning, I guess, that the combat Hmongs were all dead, they are wrong. Most of the survivors are in Australia, France and here among us.

Now I don't know about those heroes who have never heard a shot fired in anger, but I am embarrassed that my country so mislead these people. The Hmongs gave up literally everything for us: their country, their homes, their peaceful way of life, most of their families, everything that we would cherish. We promised them our continued support and then we bugged out.

You mentioned having relatives who fought in Vietnam and I hope they all survived. However their chances would have been much less if the Hmongs hadn't intercepted over 50% of the N. Vietnamese troops and supplies. If you truly loved your relatives, you should be grateful for the Hmongs' sacrifices.

As a member of the N.R.A. and a foo wannabe gadfly, everytime something like this happens it sickens me to the core because of my love and interest in firearms. I am surely shocked that a person would behave this way. My condolences to the families that lost loved ones and had loved ones wounded. The person who committed this crime broke no telling how many laws of both man and God. Keep in mind how many laws that were broken. This person is an outlaw. Outlaws will never obey the law. This is the kind of outlaw that I fear will be armed and dangerous when America finally disarms people like me. I will have no chance to defend my family against lunatics who don't give a damn about any law except the law of the jungle.

A sixth man died last night, so it's now up to six dead, two wounded.

What a bizzare thing to do...

We still don't know what lead to this. Bet the locals didn't just say " Please ,Sir , You're on private property. Would you leave? I had a friend that went hunting a few years ago and was attacked by two locals after they found out he was from a large city some distance away. They cut his throat , took his gun and left him laying there. This occurred in a state run public hunting area that you had to check into and were assigned an plot. He survived but barely

But I think it's ridiculous to speculate either way. The people who live there are just people like anywhere else - they aren't hillbillies or monsters - they are mostly farmers who'd walk a mile out of their way to be left alone.

But let's for the sake of argument throw this out there.... what's more likely - that 8 people both male and female ranging in age from 20 to 55 all decided they hated Asian city slickers so much they had to go after this guy for sitting in a tree on their land -- or that one frustrated person lost his self control? Which one do you think more plausible. All things being equal the simplest answer is usually the right one.

Read the court filing from today - he admits to hunting them down one by one. He claims it was self defense but I think he'll have a tough time proving it - even if someone treated him rudely, even if one of them took a shot - after the intial confrontation he could have left - but no. He sticks around and caps a 27 year old girl as she is riding up on her ATV to help her friends - he chases a 20 year old kid down until he's 15 FEET AWAY and pops him --- self defense my green Irish ass.

I've hunted in many places around Minnesota - not so different from Wisc. - for the better part of 30 years. I've run across people who either don't give a rat's ass where they hunt or are too ignorant to read the signs. A great many of the people coming from urban areas completely disregard the property owner's rights. They figure they are in the great north woods and "hey, who would know?" The fact is it's not hard to tell when someone is on your land - especially during hunting season.

c'mon people. i'm hmong.. the guy killed 5 people!! it don't matter if he was provoked in any way. it don't matter who said what to whom. no one has a right to kill anyone. he will be judged for what he did, that i can guarantee you. if not righteously in this world, God will do it accordingly. now for us to go around and make this a racial issue.... that's just ridiculous!! it would have still been on the news if it was a white hunter that killed those 5 white hunters. except the headlines wouldn't say that. it would just say, FIVE DEAD IN HUNTING DISPUTE. is it more of an issue that it just so happen to be a hmong hunter that did that? that's why america is the way it is today. racism still exists. and yes, hmong people still deal with racism day to day. we don't judge americans by what jeffrey dahmer did do we? grow up people. this is just about a guy, (who's probably a wife beater.. his wife never pressed charges)who's got problems, is crazy, and had it up to here with his life, and probably when given the opportunity to let out his anger... shot 5 people in the woods--thinking he could get away with it or not. maybe thats what he wanted.. to not get away with it and goto prison or get executed. who knows? STOP THIS HMONG HUNTER/WHITE HUNTER CRAP. if america is going to get better... we should start now... for our children's sake.

hi everyone. i am hmong. it doesn't matter what provoked chai vang. the guy killed 5 people!! no one has to right to kill anyone. no matter the circumstances. he will be judged. certainly not by me, its not my place to judge him. nor anyone elses. if his punishment is not to the full extent as wished here on earth, don't worry... he will be judged by God accordingly. i guarantee you that. and what's with this racial thing popping up everywhere? he was probably a guy that had problems at home (just like anyone) who probably had it with his life and was looking to let out his anger. and this probably did it for him. but to go on about this hmong hunter/white hunter crap is just ridiculous. had it been a white hunter that shot 5 white hunters, they headlines wouldn't read that. it would just say HUNTER KILLS 5(NOW 6). just because one hmong did wrong, doesn't mean ALL HMONG are bad. Do we judge americans by what Jeffrey Dahmer did? C'mon! Grow up everyone! Wake up and smell the coffee!!! This is why America is the way it is today. and to jim arneberg, owner of haugen inn...(this is what he said and i quote:

"It's pathetic. They let all these foreigners in here, and they walk all over everybody's property," said Jim Arneberg, owner of the Haugen Inn in nearby Haugen.

I can only say that, "Jim Arneberg of Haugen Inn, I hope that people will see you for who you really are. And may you lose business because you cannot accept diversity in America or your own community. I hope you feel better about yourself now that you have belittled someone so that you could feel better about yourself. In the end, I hope it was all worth it."

and also... for what it's worth to the native americans... have "WE" all forgotten that this land never belonged to us "FOREIGNERS". As I recall, this land belonged to the native american indians until "SOMEONE" nearly killed them all and drove them out so they could have this land now today called, "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA".

-free to be who you are, what you are
-free to speak (yes jim, even you can say what you like--doesnt mean you won't have any responses to your comments--but yes, free to speak)
-but not free to kill

THANK GOD FOR THE UNITED STATES. MY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS US ALL.

"had it been a white hunter that shot 5 white hunters, they headlines wouldn't read that. it would just say HUNTER KILLS 5(NOW 6" - As far as I've seen this (hunter kills 5) is all that I've seen. Have you seen different? Or are you just annoyed that they labeled him a hmong in the new report? I think you are mistaking the US, the media, and/or the foobies as being racist. People are just reporting on that racism, limited to the hunters only, could have sparked this incident.

"just because one hmong did wrong, doesn't mean ALL HMONG are bad." - Who said all Hmong are bad?

"Grow up everyone! Wake up and smell the coffee!!!" - Can you here that? Yeah, those are crickets. No one's listening to you.

""It's pathetic. They let all these foreigners in here, and they walk all over everybody's property," said Jim Arneberg, owner of the Haugen Inn in nearby Haugen.

I can only say that, "Jim Arneberg of Haugen Inn, I hope that people will see you for who you really are. And may you lose business because you cannot accept diversity in America or your own community. I hope you feel better about yourself now that you have belittled someone so that you could feel better about yourself. In the end, I hope it was all worth it." " - As cold as Jim Arneberg's statement, I fully agree with it. People, in the U.S., respect, for the most part, other's property and expect the same in return. Foreigners are welcome in the U.S., but they are expected to learn the ways and customs of the land. This man is not racism, he just wants foreigners to get their shit straight.

"and also... for what it's worth to the native americans... have "WE" all forgotten that this land never belonged to us "FOREIGNERS". As I recall, this land belonged to the native american indians until "SOMEONE" nearly killed them all and drove them out so they could have this land now today called, "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". " - Yeah so some people had a turf war and the Native American's lost. It sucks but what can we do about it. What's that got to do with this case though? Are you saying that this Hmong's murdering of the hunters was his "pissing on a bush" and claiming territory?

You'd have a valid point, except the fact that he was Hmong played a major role in what happened.

Blackelixir touched on it, but there have been numerous conflicts (not usually violent) between Hmong hunters and fisherman and private landowners. Perhaps it's a cultural thing, but the Hmong tend not to have the same respect for private property and hunting regulations that other sportsman do. Whether on public or private land, I wouldn't even consider sitting in someone else's tree stand- even if he thought he was on private land, he obviously knew that someone else put the stand up. This guy apparently thought nothing of it.

Furthermore- regardless of who shot first- it is likely the killer was motivated partially by anger of feeling he was being singled out based on race- he claims they used racial slurs toward him, and given the tensions mentioned above, I can see it.

Most Hmong are good people who work hard, stay close to their family and generally abide by the law. However, many are avid hunters and fisherman who unfortunately, don't respect or understand the rules- both written and unwritten- regarding private property and regulations.

I would just like to point out that I shot 2 bucks this year- one with a shotgun slug (in low light) from 60 yards, the other with a PISTOL (Savage Striker in .308) from about 180 yards. You read that right- 180 yards; hit him right through the middle of his chest.

The two on the right are mine; the one on the far right was the 7 point buck I hit with the pistol. The buck on the left was shot by my dad, while the fawn in the middle was shot by a foobie who shall remain nameless :D

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Gooks lack the temprement to handle guns,they are just to nervous.Can you imagine the up-roar if it had been a white guy who killed a bunch of Gooks?The liberals would have gone nuts.

I realize you're a troll, and not a very good one at that- it rates maybe a 2 on my troll meter.

"White guys" never go on shooting sprees? And just exactly how much more of an uproar could there be? It's made national news every day since it happened. The liberals are already going nuts, blaming the NRA and the availability of "assault rifles" (which he wasn't even using).

Go learn how to troll, then come back. Idiot.

nice animals. I like the tongue hangin out of the mouth of the one on the left-comical. I work with a guy who moved here from alaska. he is an avid hunter and went on a hunting trip a couple weeks ago. The guy had some of his deer turned into sausage. some good stuff. anyways, good job.

what do you mean the jungle? You hate us or what.

waddayameene aneeway?

I am hmong. I don't hunt. I don't go onto other people's private property knowingly. People have yelled racial slurs at me, while they shot at my house. I lived in a town where almost everybody is white. I understand some white people are understanding, some are ignorant, and others are just downright nasty. Some of the statements, on here don't make any sense. Here are the straight facts. He killed 6 people. They are all white. There were two guns present, not one. Chai Vang is hmong. He is a naturalized citizen not a refuge or gook. He is also military trained.
Here are the questions. Why is Chai Vang there in the first place? Why are there 6 hunters with 2 guns? I don't understand hunting, so do they take turns with the guns? Why are there conflicting reports between the two survivors? One said nothing happened, one agreed vaguely with Chai's report. How come the media never brought out his military record? Gook is a made up name to defame vietnamese people. Use another racial slur at least.

ill tell you why only 2 outta the 6 hunters had guns they were lookin for a good spot to hunt the next day so go back to gook land and leave us alone
gooks on the loose

nobody should have the right to be a refugee. here in oz we let way too many in - we should just tell them to turn their boats around and if they dont then sink em and let the sharks have em - they'll stop comin pretty soon after that! letting them in and puttin them in camps is just a waste of taxpayers money - unless we dont feed them or process them or anythin like that, but then we'd have fuckin amnesty up our asses! then there's the issue of patriotism and separationism - how r u supposed to love your country and your race when its mostly made up of people from other races!? some of whom dont even speak english for fucks sake! btw i am not a racist - i hate everyone regardless

im with u 100% bro

you're the sort of guy who's gonna get stabbed one day hey! not that i disagree with u, but i've learnt from expierience (new years eve when i got bashed 3 times by 6 abbos each time) that its better to keep your thoughts to yourself, even if you're provoked (at least the first time!!!)