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40% of Canadian teens believe US is "evil"
Posted by AquaVelvet on Jul 07, 2004 at 03:27 PM

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Fukyomama spoke on Jul 07, 2004 at 04:07 PM
Let's start a scare like they did in "Canadian Bacon." The Candians are just pissed cuz we beat em at hockey this year.
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jellyfish spoke on Jul 07, 2004 at 06:24 PM
It's not just Canada, guys.
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bapow1 spoke on Jul 07, 2004 at 08:43 PM
I was up in Montreal a few months ago and I got mixed reviews from people. I was dancing at "Stereo", an after-hours club, and was alone (my friends turned back after liquor was no longer served). It seemed about 50 percent of the people were open to talk while the other half just didn't care. I can't say it's any different in a NYC club. In fact I think, overall, that I had a better time in Montreal than in the U.S. venues I frequent.

"Anti-Americanism in Canada is nothing new; in '93, Jean Chrétien won election to PM largely by stoking fears that Canada was becoming the 51st State." - I'm not going to disagree with you, however, don't you think there is more to the equation? It's not just the Canadians feelings (US=evil). There are other ramifications to their joining the Union. What would happen to their health-care? Taxation? They would have to buy into our Social Security benefits, etc. Hell the Canadians would be forced to tip every time they went out for dinner.

Also, I'm sure once this Iraq mess is over those percentages will drop. The World is angry at us right now, and with time the wounds will heal.
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holyjuan spoke on Jul 07, 2004 at 09:35 PM
OK, what percent of our liberally taught US high school students think the US is evil? I betcha its in the high 30s.
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bapow1 spoke on Jul 07, 2004 at 09:48 PM
Resistance is futile. Soon all will be assimilated.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jul 07, 2004 at 11:27 PM
What the hell do we have to do to get 100%? Invading two countries, guiltlessly promoting global capitalism at the expense of the lower classes, abrogating nuclear treaties, advanced research into space weaponry and regularly producing the coma-inducing American Idol talent show. What's there to like about us?

;)
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Grizzly spoke on Jul 07, 2004 at 11:30 PM
... it's just your current Republican government ;)
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MajicWalrus spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 12:20 AM
More than that. But I think that most people confuse the word "hate" with "disapprove" I don't hate America, Bush doesn't hate America, and Micheal Moore doesn't hate America, but Mikey and I disapprove of the current state of America.
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toaster_man spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 12:30 AM
Jesus Christ, somebody is talking sense here!
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MajicWalrus spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 12:42 AM
here here!
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CoeurduScorpius spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 10:35 AM
Actually, not to quibble, but as far as the Lord Stanley's Cup goes, this year it was the Canadians who beat the Europeans.

The Lightning was founded by a Canadian (Phil Esposito), and either 17 or 19 of the 20 players were Canadians (depending on who you talk to). As far as I know, only the coach was an American. Hell, thousands of Canadians spend every winter in Tampa Bay anyway, so the Cup will spend a month in Canada with the players and friends drinking beer out of it at their cottages, and the rest of the year being fawned over by Canadian tourists–and that's pretty sweet.

Although Calgary is a "Canadian" team, a large percentage of the players were European. Personally, I was cheering for Tampa Bay.
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CoeurduScorpius spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 01:29 PM
As to Canadian feeling toward the US, you have to distinguish between how we feel about individual Americans and how we feel about your politics and current administration in particular. One on one, Americans have been among the most interesting and generous people I've ever met (with notable exceptions), and I know the vast majority of Canadians feel the same. We seem to share many of the same goals and concerns and even our politics don't seem that far apart. One on One. But when you guys get into a crowd, all of that changes and we find it both disconcerting and frightning.

For example, the media is screaming that "The Kerry-Edwards ticket is the most liberal ever". Granted, this is Fox News talking, but the truth is that these American "ultra liberals" are far too right wing ever to be elected in Canada. They might be able to get a seat in parts of Alberta, but as national leaders, it just wouldn't happen. Not in a million years. Even Al Franken's Air America is too right wing for most Canadians. After two days of listening I just couldn't take it any more. Up here Michael Moore is considered middle of the road. There's a theory going around that every few decades the Yanks just go collectively mad. The last time was the McCarthy red scare in the 50's. In the minds of even many prominent Americans, even those who were blacklisted, let alone the rest of the planet, what's happening now is way worse. McCarthy ruined hundreds (possibly thousands) of lives, but I can't recall anyone being tortured or 11,000+ collateral deaths. Looking back 20 years on, assuming America survives that long, I think you'll see this as a pretty black period.

Although we, along with the rest of the world (including half of America), find the prospect of another Bush administration scary as hell, we have no real fear of being annexed as a 51st state, I assure you. We all know it's you guys (especially the Republicans) who should be very afraid of the US becoming Canada's 11th province. If we ever did merge, Canadians as a whole would vote solid Democrat every time, guaranteed. You'd probably end up with Canadian presidents and house majority leaders more often than not. This is exactly the situation we have with Quebec. Although they only make up 10% of our population (the same percentage Canadians would make up in a merger with the States), Quebecers tend to vote as a block and as a result, our Prime Ministers, regardless of which party they belong to, have overwhelmingly come from Quebec. Chances are pretty good that if you guys took over Canada, before too long, Texas and half of the Southern states would be trying to separate. Can you say Civil War II? Talk to anyone who's been through a corporate merger. It's always the smaller organization that ends up taking over the culture. One thing's for sure, the Bush empire would be toast after all the thousands of Canadian retirees who now only spend the winters in Florida settle down there permanently and start to vote.

Once all the blacks in the southern states start seeing the impact of the new Canadian perspective on American politics and start to get the idea their voices could actually be heard, they just might start voting too. Mao said you only need 10% of the population behind you to have a revolution. Up here our idea of a good time is sitting around at a gay wedding reception smoking dope while the cops look the other way. And nobody, not even Kerry and Edwards, wants that kind of revolution;-)
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CoeurduScorpius spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 01:34 PM
Actually, not to quibble, but as far as the Lord Stanley's Cup goes, this year it was the Canadians who beat the Europeans.

The Lightning was founded by a Canadian (Phil Esposito), and either 17 or 19 of the 20 players were Canadians (depending on who you talk to). As far as I know, only the coach was an American. Hell, thousands of Canadians spend every winter in Tampa Bay anyway, so the Cup will spend a month in Canada with the players and friends drinking beer out of it at their cottages, and the rest of the year being fawned over by Canadian tourists–and that's pretty sweet.

Although Calgary is a "Canadian" team, a large percentage of the players were European. Personally, I was cheering for Tampa Bay.
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daydreamtime spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 01:45 PM
Is this article meant to insinuate that I am not evil? Cause if it is I'm gonna beat you .
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ChePibe spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 02:03 PM
"I hate the US, it sucks, they suck, they are evil, blah, blah, blah..."

Canada still is and has for sometime been the biggest trading partner of the US and, as pointed out by HolyJuan, a similar number of American youth (probably) feel their county is "evil" as well. I wonder what the poll results would be if it was done among the middle-aged?

The US gets bad press worldwide, true. Yet American products and culture are coveted worldwide as well. I've said this many times before, but things like this can't help but remind me of the countless times I talked to Argentine street kids who said they hated the US while they wore their Eminem T-Shirts and listened to the latest Red Hot Chili Peppers album they'd bought a stolen copy of.

The French supposedly hate the US and all things non-French, yet the market is saturated with American movies and music. English is the most popular second language there, and it's not just because of the UK.

I think about 40% of teenagers are likely to find anything "evil"... countries (their own or others), religion in general, certain bands, TV Shows, you name it.
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DC spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 03:52 PM
I laughed.

McCarthy ruined hundreds (possibly thousands) of lives, but I can't recall anyone being tortured or 11,000+ collateral deaths. Looking back 20 years on, assuming America survives that long, I think you'll see this as a pretty black period.

I don't think we exactly went to war with the specific aim of torturing, raping and pillaging and although I'm not the first to shower George W. with hugs and kisses, I'm not about to lay all this at his feet either.

If we ever did merge, Canadians as a whole would vote solid Democrat every time, guaranteed. You'd probably end up with Canadian presidents and house majority leaders more often than not. This is exactly the situation we have with Quebec.

The population of Canada is about 31 million, which gives yall as much say as a large state. California is more populated at 35 million. They get 54 electoral votes, 53 representatives and 2 senators. Canada would get less of everything with the exception of senators, of which they get 2.

Sure, its enough to change the geo-political landscape of the US. Enough to Canadanize the US? No. Texas hasn't Texanized the U.S.. California hasn't Californianized the U.S. either.

"Chances are pretty good that if you guys took over Canada, before too long, Texas and half of the Southern states would be trying to separate. Can you say Civil War II?"

Texas is just fine being with the U.S.. We figure we're doing America a favor by sticking with it. 8)

"Once all the blacks in the southern states start seeing the impact of the new Canadian perspective on American politics and start to get the idea their voices could actually be heard, they just might start voting too."

Blacks have a similar turnout rate to the national average and have been one of the few constituencies that has raised their turnout since the last presidential election. But, thanks for the concern.

"Mao said you only need 10% of the population behind you to have a revolution."

Hell, I'm surprised he at least had 10% of his population left. Did you see his casualty rate within his own country after the cultural revolution? Oh wait, this is about George Bush's sins. Quoting communists dictators who had no regard for human rights or lives to voice displeasure at a democratically-elected government doesn't buy you a sympathetic ear. Sure, he isn't a saint, but if you're going to paint with the broad-brush of moral equivalency, then we're all dirty, from the Netherlands to Canada to the United States.
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DC spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 03:52 PM
That post was produced by me.
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MennoniteBoy spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 05:34 PM
I live in Canada and I am currently in High School. The problem is people get national pride and hate for others mixed up. Many people believe that to be a true Canadian you must hate America. Then there are others who say the Americans think they are better then everyone else but they believe they are truly better(some irony here isn't there). Or the ones who brag about being humble(more irony). And then there are the ones who say the Americans are evil capitalists(because apparently we are a communist government up here). Now most of these feelings are in teens who don't understand how the world works or just say it because they think it makes them look smart. It's nothing to be concerned about they well all grow out of it.
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blackelixiroflife spoke on Jul 08, 2004 at 05:42 PM
stop hitting the backspace key
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jul 10, 2004 at 01:39 PM
Canadians don't tip?
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jul 15, 2004 at 01:09 PM
Im Canadian...I tip. Everyone I knows tips. Wait staf expects tips.

cheers
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Jul 15, 2004 at 01:14 PM
Yea I live in Canada too. Ill tell you all right here that we don't actually hate the american people. Sometimes they can be a bit odd and frustrating but thats no different than our own citizens that piss us off. We never hate them. What we do hate is the Bush Admin. Shit, most of you guys hate it too...so we're all in the same boat. You, us, and the rest of the world.
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bapow1 spoke on Jul 15, 2004 at 11:25 PM
How much do you tip and from what part of Canada are you from? I remember a few years ago I was reading a NJ travel guide and it had a tip schedule for Canadians. I should have said tip poorly.
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scumboy spoke on Jul 26, 2004 at 05:15 PM
It seems virtually infathomable to me that almost half of us in the U.S. support the Bush Administration. I would like to hear from my countrymen. Why is it those of you who support Bush do so? I realize that many of you hate Democrats for whatever reason, but I'd really like to know how Bush's Administration has won your allegiance. And please be specific; saying "He's made us safer from terrorists" or "He's brought morality back to the White House" aren't substantive reasons. Tell me how he's made us safer against terrorists. Tell me how he deserves to be judged more moral than John Kerry. (Note that I didn't say Bill Clinton. Clinton is not running for President, John Kerry is.) And don't assume for a minute that I'm a Democrat. I'm an independent who simply looks with open eyes and has chosen to support Kerry.

And since I'm asking you to tell me why Bush deserves your support, I'll tell you why I believe Kerry deserves mine:

1) Kerry came down on the side of states rights (a traditionally Republican position) in the Federal Marriage Amendment brouhaha. He has also stated that he doesn't believe the Constitution ought to codify discrimination. On this issue I agree wholeheartedly.

2) Kerry stresses that we ought to work with our allies to achieve consensus about how to address international issues instead of disregarding their concerns and running roughshod over the hard-won, longstanding alliances that have served us well in the past.

3) Kerry is a war veteran who knows what it's like to be sent into a war zone. He will not commit troops without serious consideration of all the options. At the same time, he will not shrink away from it if he knows it's the only viable option. He will do everything he can to get our troops out of Iraq, but not at the expense of the stability of Iraq or the region.

4) Kerry believes all U.S. citizens should have affordable access to health care. How much of a no-brainer is that? Having good health care promotes productivity and so is good for the economy.

5) Kerry believes that we need to get the federal budget under control and stop running up the deficit. Virtually all credible economists agree that a deficit is bad for the economy. Why? Because it can't continue forever. Either the economy will collapse or we will be forced to radically cut all government spending to bring it under control to avert such a collapse. How hard is it to understand that you are better off acting to avert a crisis before it happens?

6) Kerry will roll back the tax cuts that put $300 in my pocket and tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars into the pockets of the rich. In so doing he will reverse the trend of the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer. Why is this important (even for the rich)? Because when people see that they get poorer regardless of their efforts, it robs them of their motivation. Why work if you aren't any better off for it? England has had a depressed economy for decades for precisely this reason. Having their efforts come to nothing also robs people of their sense of justice. And "no justice, no peace" isn't just a catchy saying. Poverty breeds criminal activity.

There are other reasons I support Kerry as well, but I've given most of the main ones, so I've held up my end, I'd like the Bush supporters to do the same. Again, I stated my reasons for supporting Kerry in terms of Kerry's positions, not by attacking Bush. I'd like Bush supporters to state their reasons for supporting Bush in terms of what Bush has done, not by attacking Kerry. The goal is for me to understand what people see in Bush. If he's so worthy of support, convince me why I should support him.
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Grizzly spoke on Aug 22, 2004 at 03:30 AM
Scumboy... if you express the opinion of the average American, I could get to like you guys yet ;)
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MajicWalrus spoke on Aug 22, 2004 at 04:31 AM
Awesome.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 22, 2004 at 08:46 AM
nobody cares what the fuckers from up north think,or the fuckers from anywhere else, for that matter. what are they gonna do? sit back and wish they were as powerful as the U.S.,so fuck 'em.We are the biggest baddest bull in the woods and the rest of the world is like the gnats flying around around our ass and cods
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MeanieWeenie spoke on Aug 22, 2004 at 09:09 AM
haha
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 23, 2004 at 09:39 AM
thats what your gal said ........overnoverandoveragain,dang!
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bapow1 spoke on Aug 23, 2004 at 02:37 PM
yeah cuz the world is full of timber bulls. Did you mean the prarie? field? farm?

I got a question for you...if a bull shits in the woods and there was no one there to smell it, would it stink like you?
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 24, 2004 at 10:20 AM
germany lost, germany lost again, germany is ok with me as long as they don't start their "world domination third reich" foolishness again!w.a.s.p.
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bapow1 spoke on Aug 24, 2004 at 03:49 PM
Who cares if they lost? Their losses were a good thing. This is no way a measure of what the country is like now.

w.a.s.p? Were u calling me one or claiming to be one yourself?
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 25, 2004 at 09:40 PM
they lost they lost again fuckem and you commy!w.a.s.p.
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 26, 2004 at 02:40 AM
as a matter of fact, just wait till the next opinion poll comes out and he will change his position for you. nobody likes anti-gunners except brainwashed wimps
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bapow1 spoke on Aug 26, 2004 at 02:44 PM
What makes me a W.A.S.P? What makes me a commy? Because I live in Germany? I.D.I.O.T.

3 quotes huh? I see one very poorly structured phrase. Keep trying troll.

Here waste your time on something more constructive [link] .
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 27, 2004 at 02:30 AM
I was only trying to have some fun.why are you in germany now?
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bapow1 spoke on Aug 27, 2004 at 06:33 PM
Can't we all just be friends?

I'm over here for a engineer/scientist exchange program...
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 27, 2004 at 11:52 PM
how much does a pound of water weigh?
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Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 27, 2004 at 11:53 PM
how much does a pound of water weigh?
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bapow1 spoke on Aug 28, 2004 at 10:09 PM
British currency or the weght?

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