Man, Lin-Z is going to be PISSED :(

In a country where I pay more for car insurance than women because they supposedly get fewer tickets (which a lot of people argue is because cops are more lenient of women, which is why as we get more female officers women are quickly catching up to men in tickets, but thats a different discussion) and where women can't stop complaining whenever they feel they are being discriminated, I think in a way, this is almost fair to remind women if they want equality, they have to have it on all levels, not just the ones they choose. Its kinda like how women complained to make the YMCA and other men only fitness clubs coed, but now there are a whole bunch of women only fitness clubs opening up which apparently is ok.

That being said, I, being an ex bouncer, think ladies night is a great thing. Give women free or discounted drinks and fun always ensues. Its also very profitable for bars, because those nights tons of men flood the bars and buy drinks.

Its not a matter of rights, but it can be seen as discrimination by some (not by me, but then again I am totally anti-affirmative action so I oppose all of these goofy laws). If a bar had a discount night based on any other physical difference (maybe a German bar giving Germans a discount during Octberfest) there would be such an outcry that it would be immediately halted.

To sum it up quickly: I think this law is stupid, however in a overly politically correct country that feels everything must be made equal by passing hundreds of stupid laws, this additional one is fitting to make sure women don't get the upper hand ;)

If you don't believe the lower female ticket ratio is an accurate statistic because of women using their guile against cops, try checking out the accident ratios. Or do women somehow flirt their way out of crash statistics too?

According to my drivers-ed teacher, women do have fewer crashes... but only because they spend so much time stuck in the ditch. :D

They are reinforcing an old law that has been on the books since the 1950's stating that all bar or pub patrons must be treated equally.

I think the law will do a great disservice to the bars, They will have to try and find new ways to attract the ladies.

personally, i'm not paying a cover charge to get into a bar anyway, so that aspect of this doesn't bother me, but taking away discount drinks for the ladies ? Unacceptable .. When i was at a bar on ladies night, chances were i was hanging out with guy friends .. They'd give me money, i'd go get the drinks @ 1/2 price, and everyone was happy ... Why not just have a guys night, too? (I mean, it'd have to be on a Tuesday or something but still, you can't argue if you have both). Why take away a good thing ? Some woman-hating-only-been-laid-once-and-fucked-over-royally-douche-bag-with-a-chip-on-his-shoulder crying because it's NOT FAIR ... eh, bullshit ... i drink at home now, anyway ... so it's always ladies night for me ...

What's the cover charge to get into your "bar."

You must be a "liberal" Californian ;)

My point is everyone can prove something to their advantage using statistics. I'm not saying that women aren't better drivers, I was just pointing out that speeding tickets and such are a large part of it and women have historically gotten out of tickets.

I can also find you an accurate statistic proving that there is a larger percentage of minorities are in prison based on population than whites. Are you saying that we should now charge them higher taxes to cover the extra prison burden? Of course not, that would be foolish.

But I'm not hear to argue about those things, go start a thread on that kind of stuff if you want to discuss that. My point was women are always for anything that will make them equal, unless it takes away from the benefits they are already enjoying for being a woman.

And I'll state this again, I think all of these laws are stupid, but if everyone wants to play the pass laws to make things more "equal" game, then it should have to go both ways.

Why can't Helen Keller drive?

Cause shes a WOMAN! BWHAHAHA.. ha... oh, not the right time for a joke? :D

Female drivers tend to drive less than men. They are more apt to car pool as well.

They do mention that. When the numbers of miles of driving are equalized for the sexes, the fatality rate of crashes caused by men is twice that of women, and overall the crashes are far more severe and cost a lot more in damage. Thusly, insurance rates go up for men. Basically, women cause fender damage, men tee people at intersections and total more cars. How it is men spin this into the idea that they are better drivers, i don't know.

This is coming from the same lawyer who invented the current wave of obesity lawsuits. This guy will contrive any excuse to make a lawsuit.

This is what happens when pc nudniks get unintelligent about discrimination issues, and it is disrespecful to those who have real complaints about discrimination. Only someone who has never felt the belittling and devaluing effects of real discrimination could give a sermon like this about frigging Ladies Night. Anyone ever heard of "the spirit of the law" as opposed to following the letter of it? Anti-discrimination laws are about actual discrimination, this is just bullshit. Ladies nights are a treat for men as well as women. Poor new jersey men, now they are gonna have to try using charm to get laid, ha!

If you look at the reality of this lawsuit,
first dont men usually buy a gal a drink, to get to know them? in hopes of...
Then if they do start a conversation, the guy usually buys more drinks for them.
Come on ladies fess up,you like getting FREE drinks, so why not pay a cover charge ,your drinks will come free anyway,from some guy.
The gals that are upset with this turnover are the ones that usually aren't the pretty ones,and never get drinks bought for them.

It's because men are getting into major accidents trying to avoid hitting the women fucking things up.

The only problem is that when they avoid the one bitch behind a wheel another is in the way the next moment.

Women and men both have bad drivers. However women are more prone to drive "defensively" which causes more problems for others. Sure they aren't getting into an accident but they are causing them.

Ladies night was never a treat for me.

Sorry but I take issue with blanket statements like that when you can't speak from a man's perspective. Also consider that some men don't fall head over heels for drunk women puking and asking you to hold their hair out of their face while tossing chunks.

I don't agree with the idiotic laws being passed but if women are going to whine about discrimination then the same standard for equality should go both ways.

Unfortunately, bar owners aren't likely to have a "men's night."

I personally think any club that makes you pay a cover is retarded, and you don't have to buy ANY drinks at all when you carry a flask ;)

Please do not be offended at this mad man's raving gibberish!

Thank you for proving the DMV's and insurance company's points about male drivers. I seriously doubt the conventional wisdom of all those experts on defensive driving is really wrong.
Sure, all the speeding and wannabe drag racing and paying no attention don't cause accidents, its the law-abiding citizens that are the problem!

what blanket statement? i'm just going off the wisdom of bar owners and bouncers here, and who the hell are you to take issue with blanket statements anyway? Blanket statement is your middle name.
I don't see why we have to bring up the "equality goes both ways" argument when ladies night is not some affirmative action policy, how stupid to treat it like it is. ladies night was never about discriminating against men.

Who's buying their drinks?

I've often wondered if a bar had a discount night for men if they would end up buying more drinks for women

I’m gonna file this one under Things Losers Say: "everyone can prove something to their advantage using statistics."

Just because i didn't address your main point doesn't mean i missed it, i thought it was just lame and not well thought out but if you demand it, fine. I'll assume this was your main point: "women are always for anything that will make them equal, unless it takes away from the benefits they are already enjoying for being a woman. " Equality is about recognizing that groups of people shouldn't be banned from doing things based on false assumptions of inferiority. There are plenty of situations where people enjoy benefits of their gender without sacrificing equality. Although given your inability to understand that concept, I bet you act all rude and unchivalrous to women in an effort to get back at them and show them real equality. Hey if you really wanna show ’em what equality is all about, then date other men instead, show women no favor.
Equality does and should go both ways, but even you said this law doesn't have anything to do with rights and discrimination, so whats your gripe? You should be outraged at the abuse of the discrimination argument, not cheering the abuse along. It just looks prejudiced when men snicker happily about women getting their comeuppance over an issue this unrelated to equality.

And back to the car insurance thing which you arent here to argue but brought it up anyway: Anti-affirmative action people think the world would be best off if everyone paid for exactly what they deserve, so theoretically the world would be a better place without insurance at all, but the current car insurance system does its best to mimic a fair system. It takes the burden off people who shouldn’t have to cover the costs of other people that would benefit from the good drivers paying extra to cover their costs. Its not discrimination like your minority tax prison analogy because people get good driver discounts and bad driver penalties to reflect their individual driving record in case they deviate from the norm of their statistical group.

Women drivers, no survivors.

Interesting. I always thought of affirmative action as mainly school-based; I never considered that it might be used for issues such as insurance. But isn't affirmtive action based on the assumption that minorities are inferior, and therefore require an extra hand up?

Also, I've been wondering: Is there any sort of statistic on those who might be considered 'white trash,' as opposed to the rest of the white population?

well, that is how i was sort of trying to use the affirmative action analogy to work. my point was that people who are against affirmative action should be proponents of the current car insurance system. If everyone got treated equally (paying the same price for car insurance) then those who are better drivers would get unfairly taxed for paying for the mistakes of worse drivers, the way white people feel like they lose job oppertunities unfairly. Then men, as a group, would be getting a hand up to compensate for the fact that they cause more damage. Since thats a bad thing according to the anti-aa crowd, then men should have to pay more of their fair share if they are worse drivers, which is what they do. And the system works similarly to reflect an individuals performance, since those with the best credentials for a job or school get in regardless of race, and good drivers get good driver discounts on the price of insurance regardless of their gender or age. But metalking would have you believe that he only gets tickets while women don't because he is a man, not because he drives like shit or anything.
I was under the impression that affirmative action is based on the assumption that society automatically deprives minorities of the same job/learning opportunities, not because they are inferior but because they get treated inferior, because after-effects of past societal problems trickle down and effect people today or something. I guess car insurance is based on the assumption that men are inferior drivers though :D

So does this mean the men of New Jersey now have to PAY MONEY to get laid?

This will be the first mass extinction NOT caused by a giant meteor.