Personally I would'nt trust it.

I trust nothing that comes from a Iranian newspaper that hates the US. The report claims that they were unloading missile parts.....now I have two problems with this. 1. there is a good chance they are unloading missiles for coalition use, 2. where would the US find Iraqi made missile parts? (obviously you can't pass parts of a patriot missile off as scuds)

Not that I trust this one either, but the US could have held onto confiscated parts from the past. The article also does mention that the US helped develope this weapons in the past.

If the US government were going to plant WMD's, they'd have done it long ago.

There was more activity in the beginning. Things have calmed down now more than before and it would easier to slip in.

Also, if they were going to take a chance doing this, why would they do it in the beginning when they "suspected" they would find something? Sure it could be a backup, but why take the extra risk?

One word: chaos. In the confusion and social breakdown that surrounded the war it would have been far easier than now. Besides, if they were to do in now- in an election year no less- there would have to be some explanations as to why it wasn't found sooner. Had they done it right away when the US inspectors first started looking it would have been more plausible- plus the danger of being in a war zone would have kept away people like the media.

That said, secretly planting WMD's would be far more difficult than one might think. Imagine the people that would be involved- chemists to manufacture the stuff to the same specifications that Iraq used, WMD experts to load it into the weapons, military personell to haul it and plant it... keeping such an operation secret would be nearly impossible.

Yep.

Plus doing it while all the "negotiations" to allow inspectors to go looking in the presidential palace would have been a great chance for them to slip just the agents alone in there.

They could have easily burried it in someone's yard or out in a dune when no one was looking, wearing robes or Iraqi military uniforms for a Satellite to just accidentally catch someone out in the desert hiding evidence. Easy enough for special ops to do.

However, I don't think they would have had to go through the trouble of planting full weapons or major parts. It would have been simple enough to have plans laying about, the actual chemical/biological agents, maybe a single rod of weapons grade plutonium in a sealed casing, perhaps a small warhead without the actual computer components.

More anti-American, hate-stirring, bullshit, to feed the people.

As usual, too lazy to bother with logging in on campus...

You know, as much as I trust the Tehran Times for quality reporting, I just don't see the point in the US doing this.

The article mentions mostly the movement of long-range missiles to Iraq, mostly of Eastern European origin.

While this is within the capability of the US, the US certainly has no motive to do so. It has already been well documented that Iraq was, in fact, in violation of Resolution 1441 when it came to long-range missiles. You will no doubt remember the UN ordering Iraq to destroy a large stockpile of its missiles prior to the invasion, and Iraq slugishly complied, at least in part (what was left was fired at Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the our bases in Qatar).

I don't believe that the US is particularly interested in using these supposed missiles to intimidate other powers in the region, either. The ICBM capability of the US combined with its various nuclear missiles on submarines makes that unlikely.

Additionally, the article is quite vague - what kind(s) of WMD? Chemical? Biological? Nuclear? Are they parts, or actual weapons?

Is there any more point to framing Saddam Huessein? Most of America was glad to see him gone anyways, weapons or no.

I don't see much to back this article up, so I would dismiss it.

And of course our government is too stupid to keep other people from watching them do this and will in fact let the reporters watch them while pointing exactly which parts are what just so they can report it acurately. :rolleyes:

Hell the government could be flying around the giant cat-box dropping parts all over and letting the sand cover them for a few months then accidentally stumble across them.

I most definitely hope this is true. I would turn the entire Islamic desert region into a sea of glass. Fuckers. They brought it on themselves.

The world would expect the US to plant evidence amungst all that chaos. By waiting until no one would be looking (or less would be) and until after the US admitted there was most likely nothing there, they decreased the chance that someone would find them and, respectively, that someone would believe that the US planted something. The US admitted to a mistake...then they plant the evidence when everybody is all happy that we fucked up.

I see your side also though.

more posted on the spanish debate.

I wouldn't this report to seriously the freedom of the press in Iran is probably not what it should be in order to ensure well researched, non biased reporting.

although it is an interesting assertion that the states may be planting evidence, I think given the time passed since initial inspections we can be sure that there is nothing there, if something was found now questions would have to be asked.

Q - Are there factors at home that when looked at from an outside objective point of view color U.S media to the point of bais......

Nah, there's no point. America has already won that battle and to do more would be too risky.

I disagree. While I don't for I minute believe they had a shred of proof, I think they were genuinely hoping to find some (preferably unused), but now that they haven't, why not import a few before the election?

Is part of your hope that this is true a desire to justify the war? My guess is no, and that you'd feel justified killing anyone and anything you feel like, which while disturbing, fascinates me... Kinda like society's fascination with serial killers. Have you actually ever met anyone from the "Islamic desert region"?

We haven't found any YET. IT takes a long time to search a place the size of Iraq. Consider how manyundeground bunkers they have yet to locate... how many items are burried in people's yards like the stuff they found in that one scientist's yard etc.

Saddam had plenty of time ot hide it all before we wentin there. IT serves no real purpose to plant anything to find it when we already "admitted to a mistake." We don't need to play the "I told you so" game that the libs are so fond of.

I think you are in err when it comes to your presumtion of K4F's want to kill "anyone and anything." He has explained it elsewhere who he would kill and for what reasons.

Injustice and assholes tend to be the focus.

He doesn't strike me as the type to walk around shooting little kids walking across the street, or preggo mothers walking out of lamaze classes. He would be the one putting the gun to the back of the head of the guys doing these heinous acts.

[...]we can be sure that there is nothing there[...]

Bullshit. Even if the whole Army were combing the deserts it could take years to find anything if it was in a burried underground bunker or the like.

Hell if someone had the crap burried in their yard, no one would know it unless the site happened to be excavated or they were told by the person who burried it and/or lived there.

"IT serves no real purpose to plant anything to find it when we already "admitted to a mistake."" - Why not? Try explaining this one to me.

"Saddam had plenty of time ot hide it all before we wentin there." - That's if he had them. Of course YOU KNOW he had them, right?

"We don't need to play the "I told you so" game that the libs are so fond of." - What? There is so much more than "I told you so" that comes out of waiting before planting the stuff.

First, to the guy that said turn the desert into a glass parking lot... Doesn't sound like he only wants to take out the bad guys. He wants them all gone, basically he has become one of the terrorists...

Anyway, I thought the US would have planted the weapons a long time ago. Not sure if they would do it now. But I ALWAYS am suspicious of our government. They did test biological weapons in our subway system in the 70s and have done other tests on us. Most of the time they do the tests on inmates and the military but still it is bad and they do test civilians as well. And yes, the subway thing is real. Look it up...

As for the guy that says Iraq is a big place... Do you know how many tons of this stuff we're talking about?!? It would NOT take an extremely long time to find. Also, it would be one VERY BIG BUNKER to hide all of the stuff they supposedly have.

Face it, there is either none or very little. If we wanted to take him out I wish we would have just come out and said it instead of all this lying....

Rember: "...Love your country, Fear or Distrust your government..."

I really hate it when people presume to know every little thing that I think. If what I said sounded radical, and I admit, it is radical, then "Oh well." I'm not the one going to their country and killing their women and children. I'd give them one warning and everyone that didn't support them could leave and everyone that opted to stay could just be wiped out. It would definitely leave them without a homeland to train terrorists.

As to your remark about loving your country. I DO!!!!!! Is that clear enough? I hate government and I do not in the slightest way feel obligated to support the laws of this land merely because I was born here. In fact I had a run in with a cop being a little to zealous in his job towards somebody else and I made it my business to stop and fuck with his day. Fucking asshole cop. I know that I don't have to explain myself, especially for someone that doesn't even take the time to log in, but just for the record, I DO believe in people being good to one another but I am not one of those who thinks life is all that important. It is far more important how people treat each other in my mind.
There it is.

No. Actually, although it may not seem like it, I believe in living in peace but, when people want to harm you. Kill them. No jokes. No playing tag. Just do it.

My mother thought I was going to become a serial killer and just because I think differently than mainstream America, doesn't mean I'm that far off base. I don't need to sit here and stroke my dick about how smart I am, but let me tell you that I didn't attend special ed in school.

To address your point about ever having met someone from the "Islamic desert region".
As a matter of fact, I have been all over the world and even worked side by side with several people from not just the Middle East, but Africa, Europe, Russia, and South America as well. I even count a couple of them as friends.

Killing anything that I would like hmmm?

I'll tell you. I am currently writing a book. Maybe Rick will post the introduction to it. People dieing doesn't bother me in the slightest. It just doesn't. I am a pretty simple person in some respects, yet in others, very complicated and I don't quite have the time to explain everything wholly at this point, nor do I wish to. I believe in good and I hate to see people suffer. I don't have the right to kill people UNLESS I am preventing the suffering and harm of another including myself and in defense of this. I wouldn't even hesitate to kill. Not even for a millisecond.

I really do hope you are having a wonderful day and I sincerely hope you don't just right me off as some psycho just because my views may differ a bit. I just can't stand sheep that don't think for themselves.

Have a good one.

They are having a sale on aluminum foil at Walmart.

I too believe it is important how we treat each other. However, if you looked at history and how our ancestors(The Europeans) treated that whole region during the Crusades you would know how this started to come about.

The funny thing is, during the times we made it inside Jerusalem we slaughtered, Muslims, as well as, Christians and Jews (the guys we went there to liberate).

Now all the destruction we did back then was bad. I mean it ruined a previously peaceful and advanced civilized culture. They were way ahead of the Europeans back then. But all that could have been forgotten but the US came and messed them up again in the 1900's when we helped destroy a Democracy in that area for ours and Britain's oil intrests.

Of course, I don't believe all of the US should pay for our mistakes, and I also don't believe all Muslims should pay for a few bad eggs.

Off topic: I also can't stand people with such short memories. OK I'll admit it, I think the French can be arogant, but so can we. Besides they helped us win our independance. I think our nation is being destroyed by all the political BS that is coming out. "LIberal" vs "Conservative" It is total garbage. Why can't we all be independant thinkers and not just fall into 2 categories?

Oh well, and I am sorry I am "too lazy" to login. Maybe I will tomorrow...

;)

Read this: [link]

Why not? Try explaining this one to me.

Well because the asshole libs will be caterwauling. At least leaving things as is, we only have to hear you bitch once about it. Even if they find WMDs that aren't planted the asshole libs will cry about them being planted. Why would the folks in office bother setting themselves up to hear more bitching? Doesn't make sense.

That's if he had them. Of course YOU KNOW he had them, right?

Of course YOU KNOW HE DIDN'T right? I won't say either way because I'm not there. However I will give the folks in charge the benefit of the doubt until they have gone over the whole country head to toe. They did find shit burried in someone's yard. It wasn't enough proof of anything but it does show that they can and were able to hide shit when they wanted to.

What? There is so much more than "I told you so" that comes out of waiting before planting the stuff.

Eh? English please.
Perhaps you missed the point I was making. I won't bother to repeat it.

Besides they helped us win our independance.

And we have repaid the favor numerous times. Not always a liberation mind you, but other help here and there.

They are basically throwing it in our face. Regardless of their action if they ever have trouble we will of course go to their aid again. Same with any other country that needs us and asks for our help. We aren't petty enough to tell them to go fuck themselves for past slights.

Thanks for the link to the article.

I think the French would help us if we were ever in serious trouble. Come on you know we were in no real danger from Iraq. But like I said, they are arogant. They like to think they are the most important nation in Europe and we know they aren't.

I still think they would be a good ally if we ever were in a very bad situation. Oh well. Don't forget the Statue of Liberty!!! ;)

Again, I'll have to remember to register someday...

Right, I'm sure they would.

What exactly constitutes serious trouble to you? I understand that flying a couple of airplanes into buildings and killing thousands isn't much of one.

Maybe a threat to half our population? Or would we need to have 3/4 killed first?

People keep taking pot shots at us. They did it at Pearl Harbor, this time it was The World Trade Center Towers. Maybe once they whittle us down to a million people they'll jump in and help us. After all, these "little" attacks aren't really a threat to us now are they?

/grumpy and tired.

I agree that it's too late for the Bush Administration to benefit from proving that there are/were WMDs over there, as I don't think too many folks who don't believe 'em now would begin believing and WMDs that turned up now were genuine (including myself).

But with respects to your own opinion Rev, regarding reserving judgment until we've given the Bush Administration the benefit of the doubt until they have gone over the whole country head to toe (which I think is what your saying)... what would be a reasonable time-frame before you swung to one side of the argument?

While I continue get the sense we might even be a different species (not saying who's further evolved, that's likely a matter of personal opinion, especially if you don't beleive in evolution), perhaps you are not the complete psycho I thought you were. I'll hold off with any more assumptions on your views until I read that intro to your book. :-)

Actually, NO. They are not a threat to us. The US has always had a strong resiliant population. We rise to any challange. That attack was big but we are bigger, and stronger than that.

There was a time when the US was not a bunch of babies. We could take a punch in the face, spit out the blood and fight back. Now we have our own government trying to make us feel afraid and telling us to go shopping to help the country out.

But I still believe we are stronger than that and it was not a major threat to our security if we didn't let it become one. However, now we have the Patriot act which erodes our freedoms. Everyday we become more and more closed. I hope we can keep what it is that makes the US the US.

As for what constitutes major trouble. If someone was actually attacking us in a real military manor, or if we had a huge economic crisis. Remember they did help in other ways, money and such. The whole world did. We had a lot of good will after the attack until "someone" started going off on their own.

Good ealry morning Grizzly... I think that evolution and God can go hand in hand. Evolution effects a change in every other animal on this planet... why not us? I think that the oil has a huge part to do with why we are there as well. I'm burnt man. I'm gonna go home and crash here in a little bit. I'll take this back up tomorrow. Have a good one!

"Eh? English please. " - It was english, do you still need to take english 101? I sent you a link... ;-)

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Thanks Grizz! I hope you're having a good day. I am going to hit it because all I ever do is work and read. I am at work right now and I want to go home and work on my book some more. I hope you're having a good night in Canada. I'll see you tomorrow!

My Bad! For some reason I thought it was Canada. Have a good night anyhow.