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    Get Ready France, Here It Comes!
    Posted by bapow1 on Mar 18, 2004 at 09:02 AM

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    RickySilk spoke on Oct 21, 2002 at 07:22 PM
    yeah, I meant to include the whole thread but I guess in my haste to get this done on sunday it didn't happen.

    D, chat me up on aim next time you get on.
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    xob spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 10:43 AM
    I hope they hit France with something, so France hits back with something even bigger. Maybe then they will shut the fuck up.

    "I hate the western world! lets kill them all!"
    "Yes! but lets get something to eat first!"
    "What do you want?"
    "I feel like a big mac how about you?"

    "with the banning of the headscarves"
    They also banned other religious items from schools, like crosses and those little hats the Jewish wear. I can't remember the full reason behind it but I'm sure it stops religious fights in the public school sector.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 12:15 PM
    Well France needs to learn a lesson.

    However, considering the supposed "immorality" France offers, you would have thought the terrorists would have been after them for years rather than us.

    The terrorist's claims of religious necessity for the attacks hold less and less weight and lean more towards political power than anything.

    Well at least we'll see a bit of white flag waving. Too bad the chicks will be wearing sheets. But ont he brigth side we don't have to put up with hairly legs and pits :D

    Always look on the bright side :)
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 12:15 PM
    Er, hairy not hairly. :D
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 03:27 PM
    This has been on my mind since Christmas time, when several flights from Paris to the US were cancelled. What better way to get back at France AND the US than use a French plane for a 9/11 style attack?

    France now has a large muslim minority (some would say as large as 10%), which does not sit well with the reactionaries in its government that are obsessed with keeping France and French culture "pure" (the National Front is particularly strong on this). However, this move is not just against muslims, but reflects the traditional French desire to maintain an ultra-strict separation between church and state, which dates back to the French revolution.

    The problem is, you can't really tell that to an extremist who only leaves the Madrasa for target practice with his Kalashnikov.

    France's politicians made a rational move, because they will receive enormous domestic support for this. At the same time, they have also lost a margin of international respect and support for this action.

    The French really need to get over their Xenophobia and realize that, as the world's fourth largest economy, it's about time they became more integrated with global culture.
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    Killforfunandforfree spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 03:40 PM
    I get so tired about hearing about how these ingrates are "going to kill the western world and the infidels" and that "the war has only just begun".

    Mr. Terrorist.... what the fuck are you waiting on???? Just fucking do it already and shut the fuck up.... how do I say that in arabic? I want to be sure that you understand completely. If I had my way Mr. Terrorist, I would kill not just you but the whole of your progeneration. Yes, your women and your children, just to be sure that your doctrine of hate was exterminated and please don't liken me to Hitler. It is not the westerners that are threatening war and trying to impose "our" morality upon you. Motherfuckers..... I spit on you you fucking cowards.

    You attack our women and children, you speak of religious morality and you think that you somehow are morally redeemable? I spit on you. I would fucking CERTAINLY KILL YOU AND YOUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN. I hope to be doing this soon.

    By all means start the fucking war so we can solve this. I think you will find that the western world is not afraid of you. You can do nothing other than take our lives. You are so pitiful and impotent that it actually strikes me as amusing. You can never take our spirit nor our religious convictions be they Christian, Jewish, or what have you.

    In short Mr. Terrorist... Fuck you.
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    Killforfunandforfree spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 03:52 PM
    I want you to know how I really feel so I shall take the time to write this as well and I suspect that I am not alone in feeling this way.

    Before I put a bullet in your head like a rabid dog.... I would have you in chains, force you to eat pork with your left hand and wipe your ass with your right. I would have you labor rebuilding some of which you have already destroyed and then after I shot you I would not burn your body, nay, I would bury you with the carcasses of pigs that you might rot with them.

    I shall never be your servant in heaven and would most certainly burn in hell before I did any such thing.

    The sad part is that I would be willing to let you live in peace and honestly do which for this yet, regrettably, you will not return the favor.

    Therefore it is necessary that you feel the full brunt of the mandatory powers of western civilization.

    Woe to you Mr. Terrorist. Woe to your women and children because of your refusal to leave people be.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 20, 2004 at 03:02 AM
    This shows it doesn't matter who you are or what your poltics are if your christian,jew,or athiest your a target..........but grab a M-16 and be a target that kills!
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    Killforfunandforfree spoke on Mar 20, 2004 at 03:11 AM
    I couldn't have said it better myself except for the thought that I really would like to see the world be able to live in peace. If not..... well.... let's do it and get on to whatever our particular heavens may be.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2004 at 12:52 AM
    M16 you crazy? AK baby, was, is, and will always be a better gun.

    That's all...
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 04:40 PM
    Just because they didnt join US to a war that seem to piss even more terrorists?

    Let me tell you a bit about this law they want to put, basically its a law that ban any religious object in public schools, private schools can do whatever they want.

    This means, no catholic, islamic, etc stuff...for any religion...this is made also because some get kicked out their ass by assholes for being different.

    Anyways...islamics are the only ones pissed off by this, everyone else say nothing.

    I see it fine because if you want to express your religion you can go to a private school for the islamists and they will learn coran and everything they want...same for any other religion.

    I am catholic but i dont give a damm about this law and i think this thing about them wanting to attack france because an stupid law is just lame.
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 04:45 PM
    is it about xenofobia a law that means to get everyone equal in public institutions?
    I live in france after 9 months and no one ever discriminated me, so excuse me mr but you seem to be wrong
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    ChePibe spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 04:52 PM
    Sos catolico apostolico romano? Can't tell you how many times I heard that in Argentina ;)

    As far as this law, I actually watched one of Chirac's speeches concerning it and he said "well, no big crosses, like on shirts, but little crosses are OK." He also said it was OK for Catholic students to show small signs of their faith, but not big ones like Muslim head scarves or Yamikas.

    You might not care about the law, but Muslims do. A lot. And they are a rapidly growing minority.

    France has had a few terror scares in the recent past, such as threats against their railroads. Additionally, the New York Times reported yesterday that there were plans to bomb the US Embassy in Paris (a strike against both the US and France).

    France is just at much at risk as the US is.
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 04:58 PM
    those violent comments on top of this post can only be done by a person that has no moral, no culture; no common sense.
    I really pitty this kind of person wishing attacks from terrorists and using those words to try to harm people who read.

    I do not understand why this person make it, is it fun for him/her? i dont know.
    But what i do know is that if everyone thought like that in this world we would be screwed as humanity.

    Maybe this person should learn more manners and learn how to live in community, because with those manners he is just saying "im the ugliest person ever" or "i never grew up"

    Why dont you try instead making people feel good instead of what you do? Why dont you guys stop with that racism and hate for everyone in any place? Are you still in middle age or what? or just because you are americans you believe youre different?
    Youre not any different from me or anyone else, thats the truth, i hope one day you guys realize that not discriminating people you can get to do good things in this world, and that there is other things in life rather than stupid wars or terrorists.

    I really feel sorry for all those people who died in the attacks in US, Spain and even Irak. Keep in mind war is never good, exept for selling weapons
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 05:05 PM
    I know that, and we hope not to have an attack as much as you do, i just do not wish anyone to have attacks anymore.
    I just would like everyone to have peace but this is just not possible.

    About the crosses i heard you can wear them but under your shirt mainly or hidden.

    Anyways i still think that is pretty stupid that because a law there is an attack; come on...we didnt killed people in irak.

    And about that group "trying to bother the goverment" with bombs for money they are not really scary. As long as we know there is nothing new about it. they just found a bomb that dont explode and thats it...i travel in train very often and im not scared.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 05:53 PM
    You obviously don't know shit about guns.

    The Mk-19 is the way to go: [link]

    Seriously though if we are talking "maching-guns" not subs and not saws or m60's the Colt 727 M-4 (M4a1, M4a2, M4a3) is the way to go. Add on a M203 and you're good to go. The SOPMOD M4 kit is the way to go.

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    However if you are going to be involved in any prolonged firing stick with the M16a2 or the M16a3 if you need a sniper mod. Barrett also makes a nice 6.8 Rem rifle which is the M468.

    Course if you are sniping I still say the Barett m99-1or the M82A1 if you need more than one shot. If you want a less powerful sniping rifle just stick with the M40A3.

    If you are going for an "ak" at least go with the AKM or AKMS 47's

    If you want a foreign machinegun I'd stick with the Steyr Aug. This gun allows for variations giving yout he option of sub machinegun or full rifle. It also offers the bullpup design.

    But hey if you want to drop your gun in the mud and shoot it that's your choice ;) I'd rather have a better weapon and keep it in hand to shoot. :D
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    ChePibe spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 07:28 PM
    First of all, I congratulate you for not letting terrorists affect the way you live your life. That's important.

    Second of all, in France, it's not all about Iraq. You've got to keep in mind that a great many Muslims see their religion as a lifestyle and not something that is done on Sundays or Easter and Christmas. To prevent a Muslim from wearing their head scarf is offensive and, to many, a slap in the face.

    Also, the French weren't particularly friendly to the Muslims in their African colonies. There are a lot of reasons for the Muslims to not be too happy with the French, Iraq being the least of their worries.
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    ChePibe spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 08:33 PM
    But, as an American who lived in Argentina for two years, I'd have to say that I saw more racism there against just about everyone than I've seen in the US in my life.

    I saw Bolivians and Paraguayans treated like second class citizens. I saw Peruvians being treated even worse. Let's not even talk about Argentines who had the misfortune of being from Salta or Jujuy. If you're a black Brazilian, you're better off dead.

    And don't even TRY to be an American. Wow, they'll hate you just for that.

    Yanqui, yanqui, yanqui...

    I can't tell you the number of times I was treated rudely by your people because of my nationality. Good thing I wasn't English, then they would have really hated me because Argentina lost a war it never should have started in the first place.

    I guess the only thing that's safe to be in Argentina is hijo/a de alemanes, italianos, o espanoles.

    Unless, of course, they're gallegos.

    Argentines aren't exactly peace loving, race-blind people. I'd be careful about criticizing Americans for that.

    The French don't exactly have the best record on the matter, either.

    Does the line "France aux francais" ring a bell?

    Yes, war is never good, except for selling weapons. Isn't that what Menem was guilty of? Ilegally selling weapons to Serbs? Didn't France supply weapons to Iraq?

    Now then, I'd appreciate it if you would step down from your high horse and give America a chance.
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 07:46 AM
    I was just stating that its ok for me that a public institution dont have any religious symbol.
    Why? to make everyone equal.
    What if you go to jail, you are inocent but the judge is from another religion and he knows your religion and for stupid reasons he say youre guilty. Im sorry for muslims but a law is equal for everyone. And the state is not supposed to have any religion in order to be equal with everyone.

    I do know that there is many people that are muslims here but even if they are the 10% they are still a minority (i even got friends that are in that religion and they are exelent persons) Thanks for telling me but i knew it already.

    About terrorists i dont know about you guys but i dont feel paranoid about it. I just go on with my life what else can i do? Its pretty stupid to start doing things like "not taking the train" just in case. For me the train and the bus is the only way of transport here. I dont have a driving license so...If i start being paranoid about everything in this world then i will not enjoy life, and you know death gets to everyone, not only in terrorists attacks, but being sick, having accidents, being old etc.
    I feel sorry for the people that died in the attacks, i am spanish so i am pretty sorry and i was worried for the people i know in spain and my family, but you know if terrorists want to do anything in any place of the world they will.

    I never agreed of spain sending troops to irak and now we all get the results and it wasnt the people choosing to go...it was Aznar.

    I never said france cannot get attacked, we can get attacked as much as US. But at least we didnt make a war out of nothing just to invade a country and take control of their petroleum. If you so much defend this war show me any proof that there were nuclear weapons in irak.
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 08:25 AM
    >But, as an American who lived in Argentina for two years, I'd have to say that I saw more racism there >against just about everyone than I've seen in the US in my life.

    I can say the same about US and ive been there 15 days as a tourist.

    >I saw Bolivians and Paraguayans treated like second class citizens. I saw Peruvians being treated even >worse. Let's not even talk about Argentines who had the misfortune of being from Salta or Jujuy. If you're a >black Brazilian, you're better off dead.

    dont you do the same thing off mexicans, cubans or any other latin american person in US??
    Have you ever seen how mexicans are treated in the frontier? I suggest you take a look. They mainly do black job and hey...werent you guys sending illegal people to the frontier in Irak? isnt that racism? (that is basically..go to irak, fight for us and if you dont get exterminated first then we'll see)

    And about black people in argentina, there is some even if you didnt see them. and you forget that a big part of the population is not really white.

    >And don't even TRY to be an American. Wow, they'll hate you just for that.

    >Yanqui, yanqui, yanqui...

    Its known the fact that US wants to get part of the land, and that its because US that all latin america is in this situation. Does Hugo Chavez ring a bell to you? Does Kissinger Plan ring a bell to you?? I suggest you read in the matter because that is what happened.

    And if people in my country hate yankis is because they are dying of hunger because of you guys. That debt invented while we had no legal goverment and continued by people that were corrupted afterwards. Specially Menem, who had very good relationships with Clinton. Now the goverment choose to pay a debt that is unpayable rather than feeding the people who die of hunger.

    >I can't tell you the number of times I was treated rudely by your people because of my nationality. Good >thing I wasn't English, then they would have really hated me because Argentina lost a war it never should >have started in the first place.

    It doesnt matter this...you guys helped england in the war i know very well that you guys used to fuel your planes in chile and from there attack...yes i know you guys are good friend of chile too.

    >guess the only thing that's safe to be in Argentina is hijo/a de alemanes, italianos, o espanoles.
    >Unless, of course, they're gallegos.

    After the second world war we opened the country to everyone, people in europe was starving, my grandfathers came to argentina and had a peaceful life and a good family.
    Do you know what the word gallego mean? it means person from Galicia wich is a place of spain.
    We dont hate gallegos, they never called me like that and i am spanish too.

    Do you know about something called joke? there is some people that make jokes about them but thats all and spanish make the same thing about argentineans and we dont care. Its not about racism.

    >Argentines aren't exactly peace loving, race-blind people. I'd be careful about criticizing Americans for that.

    You know in argentina there is not really a race, we descend from so many different nationalities that its a bit difficult to discriminate people. remember that europeans inmigrated two or three times in big quantities so its difficult to tell what each person is.

    >The French don't exactly have the best record on the matter, either.

    >Does the line "France aux francais" ring a bell?

    No, im not french i just live here with my fiancé and as i said before in here they dont discriminate me, and in this moment is pretty difficult to get discriminated in Paris because there is many different people, marroquies, arabs, chineses, japanese, korean, spanish, italian, etc. And this make it a nice place to be because you can find anything you could possibly need from any other country. But maybe if you go to live into a very small city is different.

    >Yes, war is never good, except for selling weapons. Isn't that what Menem was guilty of? Ilegally selling >weapons to Serbs? Didn't France supply weapons to Iraq?

    do you read the news? he is on a process now and he is so coward he dont want to go..Menem is an asshole...everyone in Argentina hate him he was the biggest corrupted we ever had, and he made that debt even more huge, people in Argentina say he should be hangued because of all he did.

    About france as far as i know they sell stuff to US too and dont deny because its known.
    Arent all radars in US french?

    >Now then, I'd appreciate it if you would step down from your high horse and give America a chance

    a chance to what? to invade the world? im not in any high horse you guys are.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 09:13 AM
    Well, here's a few quick responses:

    Menem - yes, nobody liked him. It seems nobody in Argentina does, or did. But, you elected him, and almost brought him back for a third term. You can complain about your leaders all you want, but when they're democratically elected (especially in a country where voting is required by law), you can only complain so much. YOUR people brought him to power.

    Invading the world - you're right, Argentina would never invade anyone. Except, of course, Chile. Or the Falkland Islands (no, they are not the Malvians). The fact that you failed miserably in both attempts doesn't somehow make your country a beacon that the whole world should look to. Furthermore, Argentina invaded the Falklands for many reasons, but, among them, are the expected oil deposits in the region. Sure, you could claim this was all the Junta's fault, but if that's the case then why has ever democratically elected president since then stated that it is his goal to retake them? Why do you still celebrate Malvinas day and educate your children that those islands should be yours? Why did I see countless banners with pictures of the Falklands bearing an Argentine flag? Why did I see everywhere, "Las Malvinas Son Argentinas"? Your country has a track record for at least ATTEMPTING invasions. Unfortunately, you're too weak to do anything about it other than complain when you lose.

    We helped the British - yes, we do tend to help our allies when they are attacked. Yes, we did provide satelite reconaissance and refueling services to our allies. Your point? YOUR country attacked another sovereign country in much the same way you complain about the US attacking Iraq - taking over land for "oil". Yet you hold us to a higher standard? Why is that? Because you lost?

    Galicia - yes, I know where Galicia is and a friend of mine in my French class is a gallega. The Argentines I met (thousands) weren't particularly fond of Gallegos for one reason or another. I do know that there are a lot of Gallego jokes, much like our Polish jokes, but the ones I spoke to were more racist than funny.

    The Debt - your leaders wanted money and we gave it to them in a loan. Shame on us for wanting our money back when your country agreed to it. If your leaders are so corrupt, elect new ones and don't blame the US for it.

    Chavez - Over 800,000 of his own citizens signed petitions saying they want him out or a new election. Chavez invalidated their signatures. The situation in Venezuela is rapidly becoming like the situation in Argentina under the Junta, and the US would welcome something other than a rough dictatorship in that country. Sadly, this is what it's coming down to. Do you really want another military government in that country like your own suffered through? Do you want people simply disappearing all the time there?

    Illegal citizens in Iraq - the US military consists of many perfectly legal residents. There are many mexicans and latin americans in the military who are not citizens but legal residents who joined up to fight. They don't get their citizenship any faster, but they believe in America and want to do their part. An illegal alien cannot join the military, but a resident can.

    Look, your country is just as guilty as any other when it comes down to your acqusations. I know you hate the US and blame all of your problems on us or your bad leaders (who you elect). Fine, if you want to do that, It's ok. Just understand that your country will go nowhere until it learns to look at its problems as its own and learns to improve them on its own.

    The sentiments expressed in the last paragraph reflect a speech I heard from your Abassador to the US a few weeks ago in a speech he gave here on campus.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 11:54 AM
    At issue in France is not whether or not a public institution has a symbol, but whether or not the government should force its citizens to remove all symobls of their own religion before entering these institutions.

    I can't say I'm too paranoid about terrorists, either. It would be wrong to allow terrorists to dictate how we should live our lives.

    The problem is that when we begin doing what the terrorists want (taking troops out, for example), we begin appeasing them, much as Germany was appeased before WWII. Appeasment (allowing someone to have what they want because they make a big fuss about it, even though it isn't right) is poor policy and generally leads to more and more attacks and problems.

    As far as a "war out of nothing", you've also got to keep in mind that France signed resolution 1441, only it failed to live up to its agreement. David Kay, the leading American weapons inspector who himself has concluded that Iraq had no WMD, has himself stated that Iraq was a threat and it's a good thing we took them out when we did.

    As far as taking over another country for control of their petroleum, I believe Argentina tried this back in the Falklands. Unfortunately, it quickly found that going toe-to-toe against a top world power is not wise, especially in a war that drew the ire of the UN as a whole.

    If you want to criticize the US for unilateral invasions (even though they weren't unilateral), then perhaps you need to look at your own country's foreign policy.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 11:54 AM
    At issue in France is not whether or not a public institution has a symbol, but whether or not the government should force its citizens to remove all symobls of their own religion before entering these institutions.

    I can't say I'm too paranoid about terrorists, either. It would be wrong to allow terrorists to dictate how we should live our lives.

    The problem is that when we begin doing what the terrorists want (taking troops out, for example), we begin appeasing them, much as Germany was appeased before WWII. Appeasment (allowing someone to have what they want because they make a big fuss about it, even though it isn't right) is poor policy and generally leads to more and more attacks and problems.

    As far as a "war out of nothing", you've also got to keep in mind that France signed resolution 1441, only it failed to live up to its agreement. David Kay, the leading American weapons inspector who himself has concluded that Iraq had no WMD, has himself stated that Iraq was a threat and it's a good thing we took them out when we did.

    As far as taking over another country for control of their petroleum, I believe Argentina tried this back in the Falklands. Unfortunately, it quickly found that going toe-to-toe against a top world power is not wise, especially in a war that drew the ire of the UN as a whole.

    If you want to criticize the US for unilateral invasions (even though they weren't unilateral), then perhaps you need to look at your own country's foreign policy.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 01:12 PM
    Odd part of my post got chopped off. :/

    Feh, not worth reposting it.
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    Killforfunandforfree spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 01:35 PM
    I wonder who sells those. Hmmmmmmm.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 02:43 PM
    French Xenophobia is expressed largely in its government, which limits the amount of foreign culture that is allowed in their country. There are government limits on how many non-French songs or non-French movies can be shown a day. The French attitude (in foreign affairs issues, particularly) is generally xenophobic - they trust their own, but don't want people messing with their culture.

    French that do things like drive tractors into McDonald's become national heros for combatting foreign culture.

    Granted, the majority of the French population isn't like that. They honestly don't care, or happen to like a more global culture. The problem is with those making foreign and domestic policy. Slowly this is changing, luckily.

    Just keep in mind that the French are at least partially responsible for two major wars in this century alone:
    - World War II - they abused the Germans a bit too much, helping incite war.
    - Vietnam - France demanded its largely useless colonies back, the US helped so they'd join NATO.

    The problem is that the French have a traditionally elitist government, which gives a high priority to preserving French culture. They are particularly against America, which is interesting to me. America, in a way, should be the best representative of "global culture" because it is a nation of immigrants. Though largely European, American culture has been influenced by people from around the globe and is "American" only in the sense that it is generally concentrated in one area of the world.

    I'm a French Studies minor, so I like to study up on the stuff. I was going to be in Paris this semester, but I got engaged myself so I stayed in the US ;)
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 06:02 AM
    back to the m16 vs ak-47

    i was only comparing those 2 guns. and i do know about guns. and no matter what you think you know the AK-47 is much more reliable. that is because of its simpler design, less pieces, and more space between the pieces than the M-16....

    and the AK-47 is fully automatic. the M-16 had to be reduced from fully to a 3 shot burst because of waisted amo. at least that is what they said. but i have friends in the army that say you shoot a couple of clips off at full auto and the gun is too hot to hold.

    they shouldn't have gotten rid of wood.... oh well.
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 08:17 AM
    We never invade another country like you do.
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:00 AM
    You know i think for you going to argentina wasnt the best thing that happened.
    If you have lived probably in Buenos Aires that is not the best choice to do, Buenos Aires is not nice, over there people are mainly idiot but outside it in small towns like mine we treat everyone nicely and people is not mean and even if you say that argentina is dangerous, the danger is mainly in Buenos Aires. While there is common to be kidnapped in my city it nearly dont happen.
    You complain about poverty in my country when you probably never went to give food to some place for feeding hungry people. I helped people all my life, i had given food to poor people countless times even at home. You probably dont know what its to see those little children that have nothing.

    About menem, he won the first elections because people though he was different, then he got reelected but everyone think that he changed the numbers in the polls. Because i dont know anyone in my country that voted for him the second time. Me i couldnt vote for him.

    And about bush we could say nearly the same thing, they voted with an electronic system that has a bug, check places like Hispasec for the news archives or the forums. Its known that the company knew about bugs being able to change votes. So its possible that bush didnt win for real. Same for that T3 actor in LA.

    The president we got now we didnt elected it, because everyone voted many different people and there was gonna be a second round, and menem was on it but he quit cowardly because over the 73% was gonna vote the other guy a bit like Le Pen and Chirac here. I dont know this new president but he did few things that are fine like put in jail people that deserve it and make the economy grow. I dont expect the guy to do a miracle but as far as i know exportation now is big and there is a lot of winning in that.

    I told you i got family in spain...about the gallegos..yes for us is pretty much as your polish jokes. but is not racism at least not where i live. Because if it were i should be a victim too because of my origins (even my mother is spanish at home). Im sorry if they treated you or your friend badly but there is asholes everywhere in the world and that is a fact.

    About the debt we are paying the interests of the interests of this debt; many say that US helped a lot to get the country in this situation. I dont know...but ever heard the saying "La culpa no es del chancho sino de quien le da de comer"??

    About Malvinas we lost the war just because we dont have a huge army like US do the place was ours but England invade it and you guys helped.

    About chavez, and venezuela, are you still interested in their petroleum right?

    About the people in irak you sent, what everyone said during the war and before everywhere in latin america and this was in a US channel even. It was that they would send them over there and then they could apply for the nationality. Its pretty weird because here in france for example if i wanted to join the army i could not and im a legal resident. Then why do you admit residents with no nationality in your army. isnt that forbidden? being a legal resident doesnt mean to have their nationality.

    ok you say my country is as guilty as any other...lets see...we have really bad politicians true, we tried to take them out of power few years ago but we couldnt (never heard the phrase "Que se vayan todos?") People is tired of politicians in my country and they are very angry at them. Today is not a good day to be politician over there, some get beaten bad if walk into some public place.
    About our army, we got a feeble army, we lost a war in malvinas, we cannot make war to other country. And still you say we are as guilty as any other? At least we didnt make all the wars US did we didnt kill all that innocent people. I dont see the point i just cannot compare US army to Argentina's army. In that you got more power everyone knows it. But still you would not like to "play" with North corea, china or israel instead you do it with other little countries like mine or irak.

    It is known that North Corea has nuclear arsenal...why dont you make them a war too?
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    KIEDIS spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:03 AM
    Oh by the way those stupid "bombers" in France, said they will not go on doing it...they found a "semi bomb" yesterday...the thing was not even able to work.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 10:16 AM
    As far as not seeing poverty, that's where I've got to say you're dead wrong. I spent a year in La Matanza in places like La Ferrere, Gonzalez Catan, and other areas that are well known for being poverty stricken. When La Matanza flooded (well, it floods all the time, actually), I was there in the middle of it in the mud. I also frequented many of the worst villas your country has, like Fuerte Apache, Ciudad Oculta, la "villa 20", and of course the many, many villas of good old Soldati. I saw the cartoneros up close and gave them as much as I could. You've got to keep in mind that I was a missionary and, as such, had a very limited budget and was asked to refrain from giving cash to people. I lived in mostly the poorer areas of Buenos Aires (with the exception of five months in Ramos Mejia), and I would bet that I've seen more of the poverty of your country up close than most Argentines.

    I even painted a school in the middle of Fuerte Apache. That was fun.

    Like I said, I was a missionary, not a tourist or a business man. I lived among the everyday people of your country.

    As far as voter fraud, etc. in the US goes, yes there is some but not nearly as rampant as you imagine. There is a general paraonia of the US in most of Latin America, it seems, and your country is not excluded.

    I can't tell you how many people thought I worked for the CIA. Yes, I'm sure the CIA is really interested in what's going on in la Villa 20...

    Your country attacked the Falklands as an invasion force. The Falklands by that time had been peacefully occupied by the British for over 150 years, and frankly I'm glad the British won. Almost the entire UN was against the invasion and saw it as illegal.

    Soldiers don't have to go to war to apply for their nationality, anyone can do that after 5 years here. If people want to fight in the US army, they can. A lot of immigrants come here wanting to do that, so we let them. They do an excellent job, and want to serve their new country. What's the harm?

    North Korea does have a nuclear arsenal, but attacking it would have caused the death of tens of thousands of South Koreans.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 11:01 AM
    For the Falklands and Chile, you're right.

    Oh, and actually, the Falklands was much worse. It was a sneak attack with no warning given to the English on the island. Also, the minefields your troops left are still present and still causing problems for local wildlife.

    You have invaded other countries before. Like it or not.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 01:11 PM
    I know your English isn't exactly perfect (it's OK, neither is my spanish), but do you mean to imply we do this often?

    Like, in Afghanistan? Are you implying we attacked them simply to invade, or that we invade other countries habitually?
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    bapow1 spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 04:27 PM
    Maybe in vietnam they were less reliable. The current derivatives of the m16 are much better.

    Do you really need full auto? Time and time again studies have shown the 3-shot burst to be better in combat situations. Fully auto has no place in a dismounted weapon. It is just a waste. That is unless you are in your backyard and have had a few beers.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Apr 02, 2004 at 04:39 AM
    the current M16s are much better than the old M16s but not the AK-47s. You can't burry an M16 in the sand for a year then take it out and start shooting it.

    it is in the design itself that is the problem. there are more pieces(more complicated mechanism) and they are closer to each other as well so sand and dirt gums it up easier.

    it isn't a big deal, yes, the M16 is more advanced, but no it is not more reliable. sorry, but the Russian designer, Mikhail Kalashnikov, knew how to design a weapon without any bells and whistles.

    as for the need or lack thereof for fully automatic, i was making the point that the M16 cannot withstand it as long as the AK-47 can. By the way i think the M16 should have a selector for semi-auto, fully-auto, and 3-shot burst. sometimes you do need fully automatic.

    Israel even uses a modified version of the AK-47. I just wish the US would swallow its pride and go with a varient of this gun. Our special forces' standard issue is a German made assult rifle. We give our worst gun to our Infantry though. Oh well....
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Nov 10, 2004 at 11:43 PM
    do you really know your father or yoiu're just one of the sons of a bitch?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Nov 10, 2004 at 11:43 PM
    do you really know your father or you're just one of the sons of a bitch?

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