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    Marijuana: A Review
    Posted by syzygy on Mar 15, 2004 at 07:41 PM

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    Sunfire spoke on Mar 15, 2004 at 09:00 PM
    Excellently written.
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    MajicWalrus spoke on Mar 15, 2004 at 10:42 PM
    Good writeup. I don't necessarily agree with you on every point, but that's just because I've been exposed to the "bad guys" of marijuana.
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    holyjuan spoke on Mar 16, 2004 at 07:33 AM
    This Friday on the FOX network:

    THE BAD GUYS OF MARIJUANA: Majic is Exposed

    On at 8:05 between Blind Midget Blind Dating and My Wife the Whore.
    KingKipper's Avatar .
    KingKipper spoke on Mar 16, 2004 at 02:57 PM
    lmfao
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    MajicWalrus spoke on Mar 16, 2004 at 03:00 PM
    You're like the class clown, only this is a sped class.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 16, 2004 at 05:35 PM
    Long article, I'll give it a read when I have time at home and reply...

    Can't wait. You actually have it broken up and supply sources of research. Should be interesting.
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    syzygy spoke on Mar 16, 2004 at 07:32 PM
    Hey everyone, thanks for the positive support so far! You all seem like a pretty level-headed bunch of people. Pretty cool I must say...:)
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    toaster_man spoke on Mar 16, 2004 at 08:50 PM
    I did some fact checking on recent studies of Marijuana and I have to disagree with you:

    Three studies have been conducted and the results back up the current stance that regular Marijuana use has an adverse affect on the mental health of the user.

    "One of the key conclusions of the research is that people who start smoking cannabis as adolescents are at the greatest risk of later developing mental health problems. Another team calculates that eliminating cannabis use in the UK population could reduce cases of schizophrenia by 13 per cent."

    "Patton's team followed over 1600 Australian school pupils aged 14 to 15 for seven years. Daily cannabis use was associated with a five-fold increased risk of depression at the age of 20. Weekly use was linked to a two-fold increase. The regular users were no more likely to have suffered from depression or anxiety at the start of the study."

    "The new analysis revealed a dose-dependant relationship between the frequency of cannabis use and schizophrenia. This held true in men with no psychotic symptoms before they started using cannabis, suggesting they were not self-medicating."

    "Finally, researchers led by Terrie Moffitt at King's College London, UK, analysed comprehensive data on over 1000 people born in Dunedin, New Zealand in 1972 and 1973."

    "They found that people who used cannabis by age 15 were four times as likely to have a diagnosis of schizophreniform disorder (a milder version of schizophrenia) at age 26 than non-users."

    [link]

    Studies have also shown that Marijuana use by pregnant mothers can cause mental defects in their unborn children.

    "The offspring of pregnant rats given a low dose of cannabinoid were found to perform poorly in learning tests throughout their lives, compared to rats that were not exposed.

    The Italian research team found that long-term learning in the rats was damaged by the cannabinoids irreversibly disrupting chemical and electrical processes in the brain during gestation. The exposed rats were also more hyperactive as infants, although this effect wore off as the rats reached adulthood.

    Vincenzo Cuomo, at the La Sapienza University in Rome, and colleagues suggest that similar brain effects could explain learning problems in children born to mothers who use the soft drug during pregnancy."

    [link]

    Now, you must be the father of all outliers here, but I've never met one person that habitually uses Marijuana that has it all together. I personally don't think that it should be legalized, mostly beacuse I think that there hasn't been enough research done on it to conclude that it's harmless and we'll all be fine and dandy if people are allowed to use it.
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    bapow1 spoke on Mar 16, 2004 at 09:00 PM
    Not a decriminalized area is it? Fourtwentyville? You must be smoking too much though ;-) , you missed that not all of us foobies are level headed.

    Good supporting write-up BTW.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 17, 2004 at 01:30 PM
    Nice read.

    I would have pointed out the negatives that can be applied to tobacco and alcohol though.

    I feel a lot of the reason the government want sto keep it illegal is because of the ease of growing your own. They wouldn't have any real way to make any revenue off it.

    For tobacco you damn near need a plantation and those people have money which of course lines the pockets of politicians.

    Alcohol has real side effects that are detrimental to a person's health, as well as the health of other people around the drinking individual.

    :yay:
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    syzygy spoke on Mar 17, 2004 at 01:45 PM
    toaster_man, I have followed your links to the articles and read them thoroughly. In reading them I found that the first article, relating to Schizophrenia, has a key paragraph that you may have missed.

    “The reason for the link [Between Marijuana and Schizophrenia] is unclear. Social consequences of frequent cannabis use include educational failure and unemployment, which could increase the risk of depression” [link]

    The former basically states that the link between Marijuana and Depression/Schizophrenia is not a direct one and they do not claim that it is. The key term that they use is ‘social consequences’; this can include sanctions against Marijuana users imposed by family, friends, and fellow employees. A great deal of these sanctions have come to be because these family members and friends disagree with Marijuana use and its breaking of the law. The penalties imposed for Marijuana use are a greater threat to society than the drug itself. If anything it is the legal penalties and the worry of having a criminal record that can lead to depression. Also it makes mention of frequent use. I am not argueing from the side of frequent use. I believe in moderation in all things.

    Another quote from the article:

    “In separate research, a team led by Stanley Zammit at the University of Cardiff, UK, evaluated data on over 50,000 men who had been Swedish military conscripts in 1969 and1970. This group represents 97 per cent of men aged 18 to 20 in the population at that time.”

    I have read this report already and I’ve also read its many rebuttals. The researchers in this study were criticized for ignoring many variables that could lead to such an outcome. If the group that they were studying accounted for 97 percent of men aged 18 to 20 then with what amount of confidence can the researchers assert that these men have never used any other drugs with already proven links to Schizophrenia? It was found that many of the soldiers who were later diagnosed with Schizophrenia had actually previously been using amphetamine, a drug with known links to Schizophrenia. Aside from that is the overwhelming evidence that Schizophrenia is a genetic disease. [link]

    I do not, however, deny that frequent use of Marijuana to the extent of abusing the substance can exacerbate Schizophrenia in people with a predisposition to the disease, many things can. It is not; however, fair to claim that Marijuana use causes Schizophrenia. You could just as well claim that potatoes cause Schizophrenia:

    “One factor being studied is potato consumption. When exposed to light, the potato produces a keloid called solanine which can cause gastrointestinal disturbances and psychotic symptoms, including hallucinations.” [link]

    There have been studies to show that for some Schizophrenics Marijuana use has actually helped them control their symptoms. Refer to: Mueser, K.T. et al. "Prevalence of Substance Abuse in Schizophrenia: Demographic and Clinical Correlates," Schizophrenia Bulletin 16: 31-56

    Plainly put, chronic Marijuana abuseis a often times a symptom of Psychological disturbances, not a cause.

    "On measures of social and psychological adjustment, teenagers who use marijuana occasionally are remarkably similar to nonusers." Lynn Zimmer, Ph.D., John P. Morgan, M.D. "Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts," Pg.83.

    The point that I would like to make is that I am defending recreational Marijuana use, not chronic Marijuana abuse. Anything can be abused: there are people who abuse alcohol and tobacco; Marijuana is roughly the same risk as these other perfectly legal substances. Another problem with abuse is that it's common because we can't regulate Marijuana. It's illegal so there's no quality and quantity control.

    Marijuana use during Pregnancy

    "There is no convincing evidence of infertility related to marijuana consumption in humans. In one survey, women who were seeking professional help for infertility reported higher rates of marijuana use than a matched sample of fertile women. However, the difference was slight (61percent versus 53 percent), and was even lower when researchers controlled for lifestyle factors associated with infertility. In a recent study, researchers found no association between marijuana use and early pregnancy loss." Lynn Zimmer, Ph.D., John P. Morgan M.D. pg. 94

    [If you want more information as to the lack of evidence for a connection between marijuana use and pregnancy loss refer to: Wilcox, A.J. et al., "Risk Factors for Early Pregnancy Loss," Epidemiology 1:382-85

    "Studies of Newborns, infants, and children show no consistent physical, developmental, or cognitive deficits related to prenatal marijuana exposure."
    Lynn Zimmer, Ph.D., John P. Morgan, M.D. pg. 98

    The claim that Marijuana use would cause deformed babies has been disproven time and time again:

    Matsuyama, S. and Jarvik, L., "Effects of Marihuana on the Genetic and Immune Systems," pp. 179-93 in Petersen, R.C. (ed), Marihuana Research Findings, 1976, Rockville, MD: National Institute on Drug Abuse(1977); Morishima, K., "Effects of Cannabis and natural Cannabinoids on Chromosomes and Ova," pp.25-45 in Braude, M.C. and Ludford, J.L. (eds), Marijuana Effects on the Endocrine and Reproductive Systems, Rockville, MD: National Institute on Drug Abuse (1984)

    You make note of a study done with rats:

    "The offspring of pregnant rats given a low dose of cannabinoid were found to perform poorly in learning tests throughout their lives, compared to rats that were not exposed."

    Okay, but lets keep in mind that rats are very different than humans. Humans have been shown to have a very different response from THC than our, by the way very distant, relatives in the animal kingdom. It is found that studies with substantially different species have little or no relevance to humans. To achieve more accurate results we could experiment with our closest relative the chimpanzee.

    "In one study, researchers exposed chimpanzees to high doses of THC for up to 152 days and found no change in their sexual behavior, fertility, or health of their offspring." Lynn Zimmer, Ph.D., John P. Morgan, M.D., pg. 99

    [For more information on these studies please refer to: Grilly, D.M. et al., "The Association of Marijuana Use with Outcome of Pregnancy," American Journal of Public Health 73:1161-64]

    To be totally accurate however, we must deal strictly with humans. Many researchers have examined older children in an attempt to find effects of prenatal exposure to Marijuana. No differences were found in the fields of health, temperament, personality, sleeping patterns, eating habits, psychomotor ability, physical development, or mental functioning. Furthermore there have been IQ tests conducted on children who were subject to prenatal Marijuana exposure. Again, there was nothing to distinguish them from their non-exposed counter-parts. [Tennes, K. et al., “Marijuana: Prenatal and Postnatal Exposure in the Human,” pp. 48-60 in Pinkert, T.M.(ed) Current Research on the Consequences of Maternal Drug Abuse, Rockville MD: National Institute on Drug Abuse (1985)]

    To make it very clear: I do not act to defend individuals who fail to moderate their Marijuana consumption. I act on behalf of individuals who partake in recreational Marijuana use.

    As for calling me an outlier, I simply am not. Your childish name-calling is noted, but in my defense I cannot be an outlier as this is a topic that affects me personally. I argue for decriminalization because currently the punishment far outweighs the crime.

    That is all for now.

    Thanks for reading,

    -syzygy
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    MetalKing spoke on Mar 17, 2004 at 03:03 PM
    Ok, lets say they do legalize marijuana......

    Now, I would hope you agree that driving while high is dangerous, so I assume they would need to treat it like driving while drunk.

    So now you get pulled over, and the officer thinks your high while driving, so now do you get taking into the station for a drug test to determine your levels? We all know that THC stays in your system for up to 30 days, so at what level would we consider to high to drive? Also what would be just cause for assuming your high? When you are drunk, you usually smell of liquor, which in most cases is enough to give you a breathalizer. Now if a officer pulls you over and your eyes are red, now is that legal justification?
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    bapow1 spoke on Mar 17, 2004 at 03:45 PM
    You'll know.
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    bapow1 spoke on Mar 17, 2004 at 05:39 PM
    "To make it very clear: I do not act to defend individuals who fail to moderate their Marijuana consumption. I act on behalf of individuals who partake in recreational Marijuana use. " - And medical I hope.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 02:10 AM
    As an individual who has been exposed to cannabis in the womb (and LSD apparently) grown up with two parents who smoked and grew cannabis, and also smoked cannabis myself for a time, I feel I can at least comment on this from an informed perspective.
    My views concur mostly with syzygy in that I see no inherent harm through *moderate* use of cannabis/dope/hash. I do, however, feel that having known dad's freinds for years / decades and seen how long term use may affect mental disposition, cannabis is not comlpetely harmless. Yes, studies are starting to appear mentioning "cannabis psychosis" in long term users and increased cases of schizophrenia in regular users, but as pointed out elswhere, lifestyle choices also may influence these conditions. My mother gave up smoking (tobacco and cannabis) when I was about 4 or 5, and is now a doctor in environmental sciences. She is a very motivated woman, certainly not a "drop out" and a talented musician as well. Personally, relating to the "decreased intelligence" comment a while back, I have an IQ of 131 and as far as my lifestyle goes, I'm fit, healthy, employed by a large corporate on a visible IT E-Commerce project with many responsibilities.
    That said, I haven't had a joint for months, and don't generally go out looking for cannabis. I also have a freind who I haven't seen for a while (not because he smokes dope I might add) who has chronic athsma. Smoking cannabis is more of a pastime and recreational lifestyle choice for him in that he grows it, tends his plants, stays in and smokes, and is suffering the ill health effects from it. Mentally, he is not too bad, but physically - and his athsma is probably not helping here - he is a wheezing, coughing unfit individual.
    I don't wish to pass judgement on other people for their lifestyle choices, but I do think too much cannabis use leads to a very much laid back mindset, a tendancy to let things pass you by, and the disposition to allow yourself to get stuck in a "rut" all to easily. I found getting stoned a nice change from getting drunk, but that's about all. I found no amazing spiritual awakening, and nowadays prefer keeping pretty much straight. I did find personally that smoking dope more than once or twice a week affected me between smoking though, making my thinking "muddy" if you like, just a little more sluggish or sleepy feeling. No worse than being on night shifts though and adjusting to those.
    My feelings summed up? I've no real adverse opinion towards cannabis. I'd rather be approached by a group of stoners with the munchies than a group of drunkards wanting a fight. I feel that cannabis is everybit as social a drug as alcohol, and should not be criminalised, but also feel that cannabis use deserves the same caution as applied to alcohol - well, caution as applied by some people at least! In short, I think that the laws regarding cannabis should be relaxed or that it should be decriminalised completely.
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    head spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 09:04 AM
    Look, what aspects of life are subject to the same scrutiny that pot is?

    What is more dangerous, skiing or smoking marijuana? sex or marijuana? talking on a cellphone and driving or driving high on marijuana?

    There is simply no question but that downhill skiing is far more dangerous than even 24/7 smoking marijuana: far more people die; far more are injured.

    Sex is without question far more dangerous in terms of disease and human consequences.

    And the number one reason for traffic accidents is tired drivers. Cellphones come in second - ahead of alcohol. At least 5 major studies have been unable to show that marijuana poses a significant risk - some show that high drivers are safer.

    No, for some reason marijuana has been demonized and we have let them do it. There is no sound reason for the prohibition
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 12:31 PM
    Cannabis psychosis: Patient has a hard time refraining from using the terms, "whoa" "Bummer" "dude" "mind-job" and "man."

    For example in the case of using "man" it happens at the end of every sentence.

    As for the rest, it is quite often you will see them strung together as in, "Woah, what a mind-job, bummer dude."

    Heh.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 12:46 PM
    Quite a few false analogies there.

    How about this. Apply the downhill skiing vs. downhill skiing while high?

    Driving with a cellphone vs. driving while high... you can drop the cellphone, you can't drop the high. This would be more appropriate if you base it off of driving while drunk. Technically both impair your judgement and reflexes thus both are dangerous. The more baked you are is akin to being more drunk. Thus we have laws prohibiting a toxification level in high amounts.

    The sex analogy is just plain stupid. You bring in other factors that have nothing to do with the actual act. How about this, smoke a blunt right after someone with an open herpe blister or aids sore in/on their mouth. Sex alone doesn't hurt you like smoking does. Throwing in those red herrings (STDS) doesn't helpy our case.

    And the number one reason for traffic accidents is tired drivers.

    Funny pot smokers aren't known for being able to stay awake all that long. they tend to zone out and enjoy the high. Quite a few fo my pot smoking friends happened to drop off to sleep in the middle of a dissertation. Granted they woke up a second or two later but they had to ask what was going on.

    At least 5 major studies have been unable to show that marijuana poses a significant risk - some show that high drivers are safer.

    And how exactly are they able to make these studies and actually compare them with real world statistics? Most pot smokers are at home hiding intheir bedroom toking a bowl so they don't get in trouble with the cops.

    The comparisons would need to be conducted on the street under the same conditions as normal drivers. Thus I don't consider these "studies" (which you fail to supply a reference) are very accurate in portraying real world events and real world conditions.

    It is a smaller number of people who are out there getting high and driving and or getting high, driving, and getting caught. Thus the statistics will be skewed.

    Throw 100 Drunks, 100 Pot heads, 100 Cellphone talkers on the road at the same time under the same circumstances and see what happens.

    Likely, you'll hear a lot of "bummers" right before they crash into a guardrail after trying to "dodge" a drunk who weaved into their lane but couldn't manage it do to hampered reflexes and mental coordination. the cellphone users would be calling ambulances for the rest of them or cussing to whoever was on the other line about the asshole drunks and stoners, sipping their coffees, shaving, and eating all at the same time as they steer with their knees.

    The only reason "high" drivers are safer is because they are at home raiding thepantry for cheetos rather than out in their damn cars getting into wrecks and being pulled over for driving 10 miles an hour in a 60 zone.
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    syzygy spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 12:59 PM
    I personally could never drive high. I just couldn't do it, but I wouldn't want to anyway. A high is best enjoyed walking around through a forest or a park or something relaxing, or just sitting at home. When driving there is lots to think about and this will actually dull the high. It's like this: When you try to act not high for sake of not getting caught, you will actually find yourself coming down from the high a lot faster.

    In my life I have seen many people drive just fine high, but not everyone. I would get into a car if my friend Chris was driving while he was high because he's a perfect driver even when 'baked', I wouldn't cruise with anyone else though. It's too big of a risk. Looking at the big picture I think that maybe it should be treated just like drinking and driving. Use Cannabis, that's okay, just don't drive while on it. It's less enjoyable anyway. That's just my opinion. Summer is coming so I don't think I'll really be going cruising anyway, we'll all be enjoying the rush an walk around without worrying about freezing to death.

    :mytwocents:
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    Hollowpoint spoke on Mar 18, 2004 at 01:16 PM
    Just hold out a burrito in front of 'em- if they either make a grab for it or exclaim "dude..." you might want to haul them in. Either that or ask them to tell you a joke- if it takes them 5 minutes to tell it... probably guilty :)
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    head spoke on Mar 19, 2004 at 01:26 AM
    When you speak from prejudice, no justification is required! All you have to do is state your arguments from "reasonable" points of view.

    The enlightenment is the period of European history when the scientific method took hold, and rather than arguing from "reasonable" points of view, people started observing reality. One of the methods of observing is counting, and counting things lends the ability to make generalizations based on experience.

    Why is downhill skiing more dangerous than smoking marijauana? Because more people get hurt skiing than smoking marijuana. It's a fact. They don't count the number of people who get hurt by smoking marijuana because it is just not significant. There are too many other things to count. Meanwhile for information about skiing injury rate go to [link]

    And if you are interested, why not read the studies of driving high? For example, [link] or [link]
    Oh, far better spout "reasonable" views than be confused by the facts.

    So why doesn't the Netherlands have traffic accident rates worse than ours? Why don't they have more sickness and death? Because marijuana is not dangerous.

    Why doesn't the Netherlands have a greater rate of marijuana use? Because the prohibition is entirely ridiculous. Who is kidding who?

    Honestly! Exercise your brain and read a lot! If what you say is true, why isn't it supported by the numbers?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 19, 2004 at 09:33 PM
    medical pot was voted on and passed in Arizona ,but the federal goverment that write threaten to ,with hold medicaid and medicare payments to Doctors these prescriptions and arrest anyone that uses them. I need my medicine!!! please call your Congressman.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 20, 2004 at 03:05 AM
    Why is downhill skiing more dangerous than smoking marijauana? Because more people get hurt skiing than smoking marijuana. It's a fact.

    It's also a false analogy fucktard. I could say Sitting in your room, masturbating is safer than smoking Marijuana. Does that therefore mean that smoking is dangerous? Your logic, not mine. Your fallacy, not mine.

    So why doesn't the Netherlands have traffic accident rates worse than ours? Why don't they have more sickness and death? Because marijuana is not dangerous.

    Slippery slope answers but I'll give them a go. Most sit around on their lazy asses getting baked. It is doubtful that any of the folks smoking are stupid enought o get in a car and drive. This isn't the case with the majority of America. Look at what they do with alcohol.

    Sickness and death have nothing to do with marijuana use.

    Honestly! Exercise your brain and read a lot! If what you say is true, why isn't it supported by the numbers?

    I have read and done the math. You propose false analogies and biased studies. I offered a real test you could perfom given the variables offered. The numbers won't support it because they have not and will not conduct a study on the same scope in which they can get statistics for real world events. Marijuana is illegal therefore we won't have a study that is comparable to alcohol or tobacco or cellphones.

    Face it, you are wrong and have been refuted. Your logic fallacies havebeen pointed out as has your stupidity. You are a fucking retard.

    Why not go back to getting baked? You ovbiously don't use the braincells you used to type, you can afford to lose them smoking another bowl.

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    For those pot-smokers who actually do have brain cells, please understand that I'm NOT against pot use. However I AM against assholes like this who think they know what they are talking about when they don't. Of course if you had brain cells you wouldn't need me to say this... guess we'll see eh?
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    AlmightyOne spoke on Mar 20, 2004 at 11:35 AM
    My cousin died from a condition relating to smoking pot. Its not harmless, and trust me it was not a nice way to go!
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    roxbox spoke on Mar 20, 2004 at 03:46 PM
    hey, my names Andy. I read ur article and thought it was really cool so i decided to use it as the topic for a speech in gov. class. Id like to be able to credit it but i cant exactly say it was written by a one 'syzygy'. I was wondering if i could maybe get ur name, or hell you could just make one up, just for the sake of my crediting. Any other info would be cool too. Thanks.
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    syzygy spoke on Mar 21, 2004 at 07:09 PM
    Hey roxbox,

    I'm honored that you liked my article. You have my full permission to copy, paste, borrow anything from this article. As for credit, I'm weary of giving out my full name...email me at nanobox@msn.com

    Ciao,
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    IndigoShaper spoke on Mar 22, 2004 at 12:15 AM
    You are leptitiicitious? Who'd a' thunk?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 22, 2004 at 07:33 AM
    Wazup everyone, I just read this article and i must say it's good. I always discuss these things with my friends, sometimes we even smoke some weed and talk. I'm living in holland right now, and i got a cofeeshop in front of my house. Here it's pretty normal, you can smoke a stick while waiting for a bus and no one will give a damn. They even have marijuana conventions here..:).
    newayz got to go.

    cool page btw, never heard of kungfoo .com before
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 22, 2004 at 12:43 PM
    There's also the tell-tale sign of smoke pouring out of the car windows as it's cruising down the hiway at a speedy 20 miles an hour. :D
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 22, 2004 at 06:46 PM
    The big weed issue ha? Well i think i got some good input for you. I live down under and have been smoking weed since the age of about 13. Im now 18 and have been smoking every day for at least a year and a half. In this short amount of time - I am noticing the difference the green is making to my body and mind. Now it is true that you can never get a physical addiction to marijuana - but mentally, thats where it takes its toll. You never really NEED weed, but you always feel that you NEED to be back in the frame of mind that being stoned puts you in. This frame of mind is very laid back, and its geting to the point that when im stoned now - i loose all motivation and the only thing i want to do is sit around and play playstation or just watch TV. I know this will never change and will only get worse with the more I smoke, but because of where I live and the people I associate with, marijuana will always be apart of my social structure. Now - you say that marijuana has no mental effects. I have to disagree, physically - my lungs and overall stamina has depleted rapidly over the last 3 years. Every morning i wake up and cough up a big clump of black "yuck" which i guess is excess tar stickin to my airways. Although this is not pleasant - its not the worst physical sign i have noticed. All round - i feel like i have no energy, no concentration and certainly cant hold my temper when I dont have my weed. Mentally - I have attempted suicide on several occasions (luckily someone has been there to see me through it) and i relate that to weed-smoking-depression. I cant really explain what that feels like but its like waking up every morning thinking "same shit, different day" and that you aint goin anywhere in life.

    Now - i gotta run, so let me finish with this. Dont get me wrong - I love my weed and ill probaly smoke for the rest of my life - knowing that it is fucking me up nice and slowly, but I think that if it wasnt meant to be smoked - then it wouldnt have been put on the planet in the first place. LIVE LONG - SMOKE BONGS
    Liam "davo"
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    bapow1 spoke on Mar 22, 2004 at 07:29 PM
    Grrrrrrr.
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    Killforfunandforfree spoke on Mar 22, 2004 at 07:39 PM
    Excellent post 3 heavenly bodies in line with one another! We have someone with a brain here boys and girls.... Welcome to the Foo syzygy!
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    bapow1 spoke on Mar 23, 2004 at 02:15 PM
    Sorry syzygy, replied to the wrong post.
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    syzygy spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 10:03 AM
    Again, I don't attempt to defend people who abuse the drug irresponsibly, I defend recreational users and medical users. It seems from your story that you are going overboard with your use. Be Careful.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 24, 2004 at 08:28 PM
    "All too often the claim will be made that Marijuana is excessively harmful to your health. Again, this is a false statement"
    well all i have to say is that i disagree all the people that smoke pot in my classes are the lowest and dumbest of anyone I've ever seen i have even been told ,after i made fun of this person for getting a low test score, that and i quote "marijuana slows down yo brain" And i also saw some comments posted and one of them said that the government just wants to make it illegal because they cant get revenue off of it. Well i really think thats wrong its really cuz ppl who smoke pot regularly are.....dumb i don't want to offend anyone cuz i do have pot smoking friends but its a fact IT WILL MAKE YOU DUMBER and very lazy for that matter people should really stop being lazy and do a better job at being more productive instead of getting high in your room now i know some ppl who have tried it thought it was fun and they are smart but they only tried it so based on my own observations i have come to the conclusion that its only the ppl who smoke on a regular basis
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:59 AM
    That is your opinion, not a fact. I seem to be doing fine, I'm at the very top of my Biology Class, my teacher has recommended me for an international Biology competition [I have yet to decide as to whether or not I will partake] and I was skipped ahead in Computer Sciences to the grade above. I have many friends and connections with adults in high-paying jobs who smoke Marijuana. I know that there is the stereotypical 'stoners' who are very unproductive, but can you be sure that they havn't experimented with any hard drugs? There is so many variables that you haven't accounted for that it phases me to see you pass this off as an argument. Again I have to state that I act in defense of recreational and medicinal users, not irresponsible and chronic abusers. There is a difference.
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    syzygy spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 10:01 AM
    I logged in but I'm at school right now and our computers are having some debilitating problems with cookies. Thanks for understanding everyone, sorry for the inconvenience.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 11:33 AM
    While I agree stoners aren't the brightest bunch, your post is kind of ironic.

    The sereotypical answer of the stoners however are how successfult hey are and how they have friends or know people who are also successful etc.

    It seems none of them have ever met a dumb stoner. I would attribute this to impaired judgement.

    Non stoners can point stoners out and explain how their intelligence is impaired yet all the stoners (well most who bother to argue, instead of having their head in a bag of cheetos) refuse to accept that there ARE dumb stoners out there.

    From personal experience, stoners tend to fall on the low end of the intelligence spectrum. It is a very rare thing to find a "smart" stoner. They are not the norm and when they are coherent they aren't baked. Even so, they are still a bit slow in things.

    Also I would submit that those who aren't brindead are also only a very casual smoker and don't get baked daily. These are the "social" or wannabe stoners who are doingit because they think it is cool. At least they aren't totally retarded and the only stupidity they are showing is that they fall victim to peer pressure.

    But that's just my take on it. I'm sure the "stoners" will disagree but that can be expected. It is a critique of their intelligence, personality, and being. They can't help but get defensive over it.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 02:23 PM
    So much ackward writing and incorrect spelling, someone must have been really messed up. Otherwise, preaching to the choir.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 25, 2004 at 09:36 PM
    Someone goes out of their way to do something at no cost to you and you just complain about it. Jeeze. Get a life.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 26, 2004 at 06:43 AM
    I totally disagree with u dude. I got some friends that already have there masters degree and are working now, i mean these guys are pretty smart people and they used to smoke weed everyday. Maybe weed slows you down...in the sense of it relaxes you. But it doesn't make you dumb. You have to be more openminded, stop thinking that smoking weed makes you dumb, you have to respect everyone for who he is.

    ganja smuggling :)
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 27, 2004 at 11:58 PM
    On driving stoned: I have done this an estimated 500+ times and I have never been pulled over or been in an accident.

    On "stupid" stoners: Whoever this guy is talking about stoners being on the low end of the spectrum obviously doesn't know shit. Although I don't smoke anymore, I was and still am a very intelligent and able person along with all my other stoner friends.

    The bottom line is that it's illegal in most places and is generally looked down upon by most individuals, therefore making it much harder to get by in everyday life. Very good article by the way, I'm sure I'll smoke again and of course it would be great if it became legal.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 28, 2004 at 06:09 PM
    Look at your comments, oh you who claims a brain.

    The post discusses our ability to accept activities with significant risk as normal. It's right, too. A person who skis is far more likely to suffer from skiing than a person who smokes marijuana is likely to suffer from smoking marijuana. We don't criminalize skiing even though it entails significant risk. We do not need to wait to legalize marijuana until it is shown to be risk free.

    Second, you are riddled with prejudice: just imagine you were talking about blacks instead of pot smokers. Yes, in the days of rampant racism, blacks were supposed to be stupid and lazy. They took that one away from you and now you claim it for pot smokers. I'll bet you that the people who called blacks lazy and stupid would say that they were speaking from experience. If you look at the research, however, there is no way to distinguish the pot smoking population from the abstaining population except by blood tests for THC - certainly not by wealth, intelligence, motivation or any other factor you can name.

    No, this is the point: humans love to demonize something, anything that makes us feel superior. You seem to feel that it's those lazy, stupid dope smokers who you can dump on. Makes you feel like a big guy, huh?

    Grow up.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Apr 12, 2004 at 11:55 PM
    I gave the good ole pot a try for the first time and got a buzz. That was it. Is that normal or was I smoking shit weed?
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    bryan spoke on Apr 13, 2004 at 10:01 AM
    actually, if you don't smoke cigarettes, you might just not have been doin' it right.

    joint? bowl? triple-chamber-water-bong?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Apr 13, 2004 at 11:14 PM
    I inhaled, held for about 5-10 seconds, and coughed my ass off. It was a joint.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Apr 27, 2004 at 12:24 PM
    ur stupid, y would u hail for 10s??
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Apr 28, 2004 at 02:28 PM
    I agree, I have lots of friends in their 40 & 50 that use marijuana and these are very productive people with P.H.D.s some are retired already and I have to say I would rather see pot legal and alcohol not. Never know someone to go home and beat their wives and kids after smoking a joint.
    Plus I am a stay home mother of six ages 2 months to 15 years old I go to every game and activity that my children are in. Cook breakfast before school and have dinner ready at 6:00 every night I take care of my business and my family. A old friend of mine asked me for a month if I could find him a 1/2Oz so I finally did well that old drunk who is 54 years old set me up now I'm looking at 20 years for delivery of 1/2 ounce of weed to a 54 year old shaky drunk.
    The only thing that makes me a crimal is the law.
    So yes I think marijuana should be legal but should be sold like alcohol because it does mellow people and children and young adults need their energy to conjure the world
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    kozie spoke on Apr 29, 2004 at 08:19 AM
    Every1 should no by now dat marijuana is good for your health and has many remedies so dont listen to all the politics sht about it and smoke da ganj!!!
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    kozie spoke on Apr 29, 2004 at 08:26 AM
    I totally agree with you i have been smokin da ganj every day for the past three years and i am still a member of a grammar school and have already passed all of my GCSE's.It dont make u thick!!
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Apr 29, 2004 at 08:35 AM
    lol i agree, ganja is heavy, who da fuk wood no if u were high wen drivin neway? unless they had sniffa dogs wid dem. dis is SaucyLilMinx by the way,
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 07, 2004 at 10:01 AM
    I agree.. i Would Never Drive high. But i've Seen Numerous People Do It With No Prob.. I Prefer to Relax when i'm high. play a video game or sumthin to thet general area.. BUt Driving.. I Don't think i could.. i have a speed control problem when i am sober.. i couldn't imagine it high..And I Also Agree that there is no point to getting high if u r just goin to think hard ... it wears off an dis pointless.. if u want to do sumthin fun while hih.. have sex.. or play a stupid game.. NO THOUGHT REQUIRED....
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 08, 2004 at 05:57 PM
    it's a moral discussion

    punishment is always a bad remedy

    i enjoy smoking especially because it has a growing empathy effect on me, but i'm also very aware that i might get tricked into the dream and forget to work on it.

    so 50/50!?!

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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Sep 26, 2004 at 11:36 PM
    legalize marijuana and provide a regulated product, with a tax built in that both pro-actively addresses health effects, and provides funds for building great public transportation systems
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Dec 07, 2004 at 09:38 AM
    Hell no!! I totally disagree with legalizing it !! I'm ,straight out, a dealer & its getting me through medical school right now. How the hell else is a "dumb", "non-motivated" , " "19 year old medical student without rich parents" , supposed to pay for books, tuition & my own recreational use ?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Dec 07, 2004 at 10:42 PM
    ok
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    CLOWNSKILLFORFUN spoke on Dec 08, 2004 at 10:34 AM
    I didn't read the whole thing, but what i read was great. I've been smoking since 4/20/03(still a rookie). My friends and me use it just because its funny to be stoned.
    Stoners say the funniest shit. If you don't try it just once, you don't like it, don't do it. Simple.
    Oh, my sister is a stoner and she drives just fine. And she tells me we actually have more intelligent conversations when we're fucked up.
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    BarthamTHC spoke on Dec 08, 2004 at 12:31 PM
    Let's look at Canada...
    The main reason a lot of Canadians hate us is because of our ignorant resilient anti-marijuana laws. Are they just retarded stoners or what? No! They just don't give a fuck about the marijuana laws because they realize the way the dangers are way exaggerated, and it's not like they are becoming some kind of idiotic country due to their use.

    Where I live there are a lot of people who smoke and are open about it and those who are secretive about it. Let me tell you, drugs like meth and coke make you stupid. Weed doesn't make your brain fall to crap as much as some people try to say it does. It doesn't make you stupid at all. You just may come across to someone as a little slower just because the weed has made you a little calmer or relaxed. By all means man, you can't say that it makes the majority of it's users stupid. That's not true at all.

    Sure your reaction time may slow a bit. That doesn't mean you are loosing your ability to clarify thought and put information together piece by piece. Nor is your brain rotting completely. There is some slight brain damage but it's nothing that will make you any bit noticeably dumber.

    The fact is that the stuff just isn't near as dangerous as people try to make it sound.

    Then you go on to stereotype the majority of people who smoke occasionally... They just try to be cool supposively.

    Sure. Some people do that but you'd be surprised how many people smoke weed because they enjoy it rather than to fit in. Once you get out of high school peer pressure isn't as strong of an influence on your life. Oh yeah and I forgot to tell you, "There are people that are into smoking other than just your typical grungy looking teenage high-school stoner."

    A lot of people, especially in South California.

    The reason we disagree with you isn't just about the things we read about it on the internet but it's also because the things you are saying just don't match up with the things we have observed, "first hand," in our time dealing with ourselves and other people who do the pot.

    Here-[link]
    go there. It will clear up a lot of the myths and truths for you.
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    Rocket5005 spoke on Dec 08, 2004 at 11:26 PM
    IF YOU WHERE TONY HAWK WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?!!!
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Dec 09, 2004 at 12:41 AM
    My take on marijuana use boils down to why someone smokes
    and not necessarily how often. Though frequency can have a
    high correlation to the motivation behind use, it is not the
    ultimate factor to whether someone is 'abusing' the substance.
    The question of why one uses can be the deciding factor.
    Besides the obvious medical use, what determines whether
    one is using recreationally or is abusing the substance?
    Is it to escape the reality of an inner issue? ie. depression, pain, insecurity, guilt..etc.
    Or is it to find a place of relaxation?
    Does marijuana become the sole avenue to find relaxation? or not?
    Is it to hang out with friends on a weekend and have fun?
    Does it help with social anxiety?
    What is the 'edge' that weed takes off?
    Is it used as a nice retreat to go on a walk on?
    Is it used to help with creativity?
    Is it used to help numb the void?

    I am not saying I have not smoked weed after a horrific day of pms.
    Nor am I saying I have never used it for any of the things I listed above.
    I am an occasional smoker, about twice a month and have no problem
    with people who smoke more or less.
    All I wanted to point out is that some people use weed(and tobacco and alcohol)
    as crutches because of whatever issues they do not wish to confront. (to get through the day)
    Other people use it for relaxation or recreational fun.
    Maybe a habitual user should ask him/herself "why" they smoke. If he/she
    can give him/herself an honest answer with self-integrity that it is not
    to numb or avoid emotional/psychological issues in any way, then
    that person is not abusing the substance.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 16, 2005 at 10:52 PM
    Marijuana is garbage. It makes you lazy,crazy,and stupid. I am a long time resident of California and am firmly opposed to any legalization. The proposition 215 passed by voters to allow for medical use was a mistake. All the suspossed "sick" people I meet that are "helped" is a crock. All of these people I meet need to stop using and they might find their "sickness" cured. Marijuana users I have known over the years end up with major problems. They end up unemployed with finanical problems. Marijuana is not cool it is a substance that will wreck your life. It might take years but eventually will relagate an individual to a life of nothingness. I have seen this time and again. Marijuana use in black rap tunes is a way to encourage black,latino,and white youth who support them, to use to keep the brown man down. Their is no glory in marijuana use. Just read at what opium use did to China in the 1800's and you will see why a prosperous society keeps norcotics down.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Apr 08, 2005 at 02:12 AM
    when the gov't got into the real estate business via marijuana was the point i said not no but, hell no. they are setting people up like bowling pins and stealing their property. it has become a lucrative business to bust a "drug dealer". which can be classified as anyone with baggies in their kitchen and a mail scale in their desk. or even a guy that picks up a bag for his buddy while he's out. two wrongs don't make it right. taking someone's lifelong work and investment for a pretty benign substance is insane to me. not to mention that it has altered the greatest document on the face of the earth called the constitution. i personally don't give a shit how much dope my neighbor smokes when it comes to annihilating the first ten amendments. they claim they're doing it for the kids and yet they will kick the wife and kids into the street for the property. i have been following the trends and even had some pretty disturbing personal experiences with local and state drug task forces after being "investigated" for growing garden vegetables and houseplants under lights in my shop. if i could show america all the things i have seen from this experience that was triggered by a letter to the editor on property seizure laws in my county,the whole country would see how evil this war on drugs actually is. i smoked pot as recently as 12 years ago and i can't believe pot today could be anymore potent than the stuff i smoked. even if it was,do you think it's worth losing 225 years of freedoms? and don't think because it hasn't yet affected you yet that you're safe. because you can't take constitutional freedoms from one group without taking them from everybody. this war could easily incarcerate anyone. ask anyone that lives near a cop or other gov't official that has just a typical neighborhood disagreement like protruding shrubbery for example. ask them if when they were "investigated" what was the reason . i'll bet from my study that it wasn't molesting children or a code violation but, for pot. since 85% of americans have some type of gardening supply in their homes it's as easy as 1 2 3 to frame someone for growing and ruin them. with the unpatriotic act they can also label you a terrorist and do sneak and peak searches which would allow for them to plant something. this isn't paranoia crap. this stuff is going on daily and just like in tax and dmv courts, the burden of proof is unconstitutionally on you.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 29, 2005 at 11:06 PM
    I'm 32 years old, been a stoner since I was 16.

    It wasent until I was about 22 years old that I suspected that being high all the time was causing me problems.

    10 years later I finally accept the truth, I does cause me problems:
    1. Anxiety
    2. Intimacy
    3. Laziness (kicked in at age 28, surprisingly)
    4. Mild depression

    It took many years for the problems to show up, but as much as I love to get high, I had to stop. I was not capable of cutting down (only smoke on weekends, etc).

    Any drug can be abused, including weed. Some people can handle their alchohol, some can't. Some people are affected by marijuana, some are not. From my observations, the dumber a person is the less they are affected, but this is not the case with everybody, nor am I claiming to be some genious.

    I would have enjoyed the last 10 years of my life a lot more had I not been high the entire time.

    This is a true story.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 30, 2005 at 05:31 AM
    Weed in all it's form and splendor, is the one thing this world has going for it. I'm not going to argue if it's bad for you or not, that's up to you when your smoking it, i've been smoking the wonderful substance for quite a while now and have never come across a single problem yet, maybe some are better than smoking it than others, who knows, what i do know is that in the Febuary 18 edition of scientist weekly magazine, the top british science mag, it had an article about the substance, it also contained a report from some health organisation that works for Geneva, stating that cannabis was less harmful than either cigarettes or alcohol. I've never understood, how the government, knowing fully that hash is safer for society and a lot better in every sense of the word compared to any other drug, maintain it's illegality. Ok drugs make people irrational, i won't deny that, drugs do make people irrational, especially the ones you aren't on any, think about it, half the shit posted on the foo sounds pretty fucked up and i'm sure not everyone on the foo smokes pot. i mean my mother, clearly mad, but has never taken a drug in her life (with exceptions to alcohol and caffine). If you were slightly nervous to begin with, then hash will simply enhance that, a pot smoker is busted every hour and you wonder why we're so paranoid! It has never killed a single person, that bulshit about some kid blowin his brains out cause he was high! he was probably on smack and didn't know the difference, and if anyones that much of a lightweight he deserves to die.

    So to recap, it's never killed anyone, everyone that i know that smokes it is fine, we're all perfectly happy, it can be used as renewable resource to make clothes, books, petrol, oil, sails, rope amongst other various things, the worst side effect is the munchies (or the occasional whity) it doesn't make you aggressive like every other drug does (especially alcohol), according to geneva its better for you than drink or cigarettes, it has been smoked since man first discovered it, which led to the creation of the first ever book, the first ever sail on the first ever sail boat, hypathetically, without hemp, we wouldn't of had a single voiage of discovery, we owe a lot to weed, and how to we repay it, we lock it up and call it a drug. There is no known cure for a hash addict this is true, but than again no one has ever looked for one, but then again there is no known cure for smoking tabacco, it simply requires will-power.

    If it wasn't for the 2nd anual opium conference in vienna, austria, it might still be legal today, but who's idea was it hold the conference? amerika's, but in all fairness you have to blame the egyptions for it's illegalisation, those bastards.

    Well if you smoke hash and you think it's causing you problems, quit, it aint hard, i'v quit before, long enough to do what i needed to do and didn't notice a single change, just that i wasn't stoned. But before you quit, just try changing your perception on the situation, ask yourself y you feel paranoid, then do what i do, simply laugh it off and go about your day,

    just look at bill hicks, howard marks, allan long, bob marley, all the greats, they all taken mass amounts of drugs and were soem of the smartest most listened to and worships people ever to grace gods green earth.

    Bill Hicks,
    "On the seventh day god rested and looked around at his creation in all it's form and splendor,
    Oh my me!
    I left fuckin pot everywhere! i new i shouldn't of smoked that joint on the third day
    if i leave pot everywhere it might give people the impression there suposse to use it.
    Shit, now i have to invent republicans."

    Howard Marks (addressing the british government),
    "Choose any forum you want, choose any topic you like, choose whatever audience you want, have as much publicity/media coverage as you like, please allow me as much strong dope before the debate, please alow me to switch smoke strong joints during the debate, i don't insist on it, but i'd prefer it, and i garuantee, garuantee you that i would desstroy any arguement that they would present for maintaining the illegality of cannabis within seconds, so could any fucker."

    One last one from bill,
    "When i was on drugs i never robbed anyone, never stabbed any one, never lost a job, a house, a car, a wife, kids, got real fuckin high and went about my day."

    the hash debate in t5he end is just a vicious cycle, for those truely dedicated to the smoking of hashish you simply have to move to a country that permits it's use, sorry but i can't see any democratic, autocratic, abdocratic governmant making it legal, even when weighed up to the fact there isn't a single reason why it should be illegal and thousands of reasons for its legality.

    Well i'm off to go smoke a big joint, while i still can, hope if anyone suffering from "Chronic hashishism" get's well soon, if you think it's fuckin you up, quit or cut back, otherwise you'll give those who can handle their smoke a bad name.
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    vin spoke on May 30, 2005 at 05:59 AM
    "One of the key conclusions of the research is that people who start smoking cannabis as adolescents are at the greatest risk of later developing mental health problems. Another team calculates that eliminating cannabis use in the UK population could reduce cases of schizophrenia by 13 per cent."

    0.5% of britain suffers from schizophrenia, what's 13% of .5%of britains population? 36400 poeple, according to governmant figure there arn't that many marijuna users in britain. What about all those suffering from multiple scourices? Should we deny them the only treatment avilable to them, or just leave them to suffer in pain.

    "Patton's team followed over 1600 Australian school pupils aged 14 to 15 for seven years. Daily cannabis use was associated with a five-fold increased risk of depression at the age of 20. Weekly use was linked to a two-fold increase. The regular users were no more likely to have suffered from depression or anxiety at the start of the study."

    Perhaps you shouldn't smoke cannabis so young, can the same not be said about under-age drinkers? If they start drinking at 14-15 due they not run the risk of having problems later on in life. So just simply don't allow anyone to smoke cannabis until they are 21.

    "The new analysis revealed a dose-dependant relationship between the frequency of cannabis use and schizophrenia. This held true in men with no psychotic symptoms before they started using cannabis, suggesting they were not self-medicating."

    Perhaps something else happened to them during this time, maybe they lost a loved one, or had a traumatic experience. I'd like to meet these people they analysised, because everyone that i know that smokes it is perfectly happy and doing well in life. Remember according to hebs, one in four adults in scotland suffers from a mental health problem, and surely not one in four adults in scotland is using cannabis.

    "Finally, researchers led by Terrie Moffitt at King's College London, UK, analysed comprehensive data on over 1000 people born in Dunedin, New Zealand in 1972 and 1973."

    "They found that people who used cannabis by age 15 were four times as likely to have a diagnosis of schizophreniform disorder (a milder version of schizophrenia) at age 26 than non-users."

    Same again, im sure if it did become legal, there would still be many restrictions imposed on it.

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    try reading feburay 18 edition of new scientist, it tells you of a report commissioned by geneva stating that cannabis is less harmful than either alcohol or tabacco.

    Studies have also shown that Marijuana use by pregnant mothers can cause mental defects in their unborn children.

    a mother shouldn't even smoke cigarettes when pregent nor drink alcohol, if she's stupid enough to blaze up when pregent she doesn't deserve the baby.

    "The offspring of pregnant rats given a low dose of cannabinoid were found to perform poorly in learning tests throughout their lives, compared to rats that were not exposed.

    Rats. Fuckin rats man. How advanced can an actual 'sober' rat learn? cannabinoid? what the fucks that? cannabis enhanced to make you paranoid? rats are very small cretures, the poisen in the thc will effect them more than us, haven't you ever got a dog stoned before?

    The Italian research team found that long-term learning in the rats was damaged by the cannabinoids irreversibly disrupting chemical and electrical processes in the brain during gestation. The exposed rats were also more hyperactive as infants, although this effect wore off as the rats reached adulthood.

    this is sad, only the italians like, had to be, hyper at birth then more relaxed later in life, sounds like every other creature mamal, animal on this planet to me like.

    Vincenzo Cuomo, at the La Sapienza University in Rome, and colleagues suggest that similar brain effects could explain learning problems in children born to mothers who use the soft drug during pregnancy."

    [link]

    we've been over this one, you must smoke it as you seem to repeat yourself a lot. (you aren't related to tony blair by any chance?)

    Now, you must be the father of all outliers here, but I've never met one person that habitually uses Marijuana that has it all together. I personally don't think that it should be legalized, mostly beacuse I think that there hasn't been enough research done on it to conclude that it's harmless and we'll all be fine and dandy if people are allowed to use it.

    you've meet the wrong stoners man, everyone i know that smokes it's lifes sorted, take me for example, i'm at fuckin uni, and am a habbitual user of the herb. You obviously haven't heard of the benefits on offer for legalising it, you know it was legal for 86million years, from the dawn of time until 1928
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 30, 2005 at 08:58 AM
    my favorite phrase from a stoned is the infamous...dude man....such as "dude, man thats awsome" also i enjoy the pausing what such as

    Person 1"Hey pass me that jar of cookies man"
    person 2".....................................................what"
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    futurePERFECT spoke on May 30, 2005 at 09:14 AM
    lolz man i know ive said that well.......everytime ever!
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    futurePERFECT spoke on May 30, 2005 at 11:08 AM
    These lame ass people "OOO pot is horrible, ooo pot is crazy!" FUCK YOU! You think that pot wrecks your life! Have you ever been addicted to Cocaine? Thats a fucking addiction! That ruins your life! Not pot! I am 18 years old and from the time i was 15 untill last november when I ODed I used to roll over EVER MORNING and grab my sack and do 3-4 lines just to start my day....if i didnt have any, i wouldnt leave my bed.....When i was 17 my dad came home from work and found me lying on the kitchen floor face down in a pool of my own blood! So dont even fucking start on me about how pot is the fucking anti-christ and its inhumaine! i kicked my habbit and Im sober and loving every minute of it, and ya know when i do have those once in a blue moon cravings to get high (panic attacks) i smoke a bowl and im fine! this actully perscribed to me by a doc! pot or coke?....pot; with out a doubt has save my marriage my life and most of all my kids life, cuz you gotta think its ether a nice fat bowl or a line.....and no pot isnt a gateway drug cuz i never smoked pot in my life and i was a fucking coke head.....I wouldnt trade anything for the life i have now....i took the life i had then to get the life i have now!

    True in ever aspect
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 30, 2005 at 02:58 PM
    So let me get this right. You were a hard core cocaine addict before you were even a legal adult, who could not control his addiction. Then you got your act together after you hit rock bottom, and you ONLY smoke weed. Your 18 years old, married, with kids.

    You claim pot has saved your marriage and life because you are still an addict, and need to fill the craving with something? It wont be long until you realise you've traded one addiction for another. You obviously havent learned your lesson. I wont be surprised if you end up an alchoholic and a stoner.

    When your 40 years old, looking back on your life, and realizing that you are a loser, perhaps you will learn the lesson the hard way: drug abuse is unhealthy.

    Let's see how you feel when your kids do drugs too, and they try to convince you it's harmless.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 30, 2005 at 03:03 PM
    The real issue in this debate is if people have already made up their mind about marijuana, then looked for reasons to justify their position.

    The other way is to have an open mind and evaluate the evidence, then make a rational decision.

    Which of these camps do YOU fall into?
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    futurePERFECT spoke on May 30, 2005 at 03:48 PM
    Yes i WAS an addict and Yes i do smoke pot now because it is PERSCRIBED to me for PANIC ATTACKS you tit! Much like it is perscribed to elderly people for heart control....So your telling me every person who ever takes a pill or a drug in their life is dependent? So if you have a head ache and you take an asprin you are dependent on that? FUCK YES YOU ARE!!! You are dependent on it to make your headache go away! Same as when i smoke a joint for a panic attack to calm me down! I was rock bottom and if you ever go from one extreme to another you WILL have some set backs...Yes i have a beautiful wife and a beautiful little angel and I wouldnt trade it for the world! Because i have my shit straight doesent mean im a loser! Because i have settled down when most people my age want to go out and get shit faced and fuck any girl with a set of tits! So because my life is in order and i know where im going makes me a loser? I gurentee i will make more in 1 month then you will make in your entire lifetime! and if you must know I am a Programmer at Pixar Animation Studios! Its sad that cry babys like your self that try and drag people down by saying that just because they have done a drug or that they have their shit together and have a beautiful wife and a little angel, when they them selves are probly 25 years old, work at a hardware store and live with their parents or in welfare housing because their 6 dollar an hour job wont let them have a better life for a would be wife and kids....so dont fuck with me because i fucked up......I know i did and i dont need some fucking 25 year old goober whos money goes to DnD telling me I did! I messed up, I got better I Have a perfect Life now! No once can take it away from me! I didnt use to, but now i do so take your 20 sided die and cram it up your cullu!
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 30, 2005 at 05:28 PM
    Sorry to make you so upset, considering that almost every one of your sentences ends with an exclamation point.

    I hope your marriage lasts, because >90% of all people who are married at 18 end up divorced.

    Glad you have a lovely daughter, that's nice. For her sake, I hope you keep your act together.

    I guess what I'm saying is that any person who has done what you have done is a loser, IN MY OPINION, because everybody I know that has a story similar to yours is still a loser today, and some of my tax money is paying to support them, which makes me angry. I think they should live in the gutter and eat dead rats. I think they should take responsibility for their actions. I think they should get paid by the government only when they go to elementary schools and tell kids their story. I think they should commit suicide instead of sucking up my tax money which could be spent on more important things. Fuck those people, they are parasites to society.

    Hopefully you will be an exception. Most of them kept it together for at least a few years, but failed to have the determination to stay the course. Two of those folks have kids who are now teenagers, and one of those kids is smoking weed at age 14 and the dad is grateful that it's not crack. In my opinion, he's an idiot and his kid is on his way to being a loser like his dad.

    Good luck, and shame on you for ever doing coke in the first place, you should have known better, you fool.

    Irresponsible people make my taxes higher, and it pisses me off. And no, I have never collected unemployment or been on welfare.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 30, 2005 at 06:28 PM
    genesis 1:29 "i have given you every herb bearing seed for meat". it's ok to kill babies but not smoke an herb. that's the kind of leadership america needs. psychotic politicians high on power,cash and teenage pages. george bush....you aren't a christian. you're a wolf in sheep's clothing, drunk on oil....
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 30, 2005 at 07:21 PM
    If it was about oil, why didnt we invade some arab countries like Saudi Arabia or Iraq and take their oil long ago? Why not in 1991 after the soviets fell apart?

    Quote the bible, oh, that shows your brilliance. The Lord says its ok to do drugs.

    Saddam killed those children by spending all his money on palaces, not on hospitals.

    In North Korea, as we speak, cannibalism is occuring. Children are dying left and right, but let me guess, thats our fault too, right? The dictator is spending his money on building nukes, and all the food we send them ends up going to his army, so he can stay in power, but hey, he's not evil, right?

    It's ok for the French to sell North Korea a nuclear reactor, even though they dont have any power lines hooked up to it, right?

    After we bomb Iran and North Korea to shit, I hope France is next.
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    vin spoke on May 31, 2005 at 02:06 AM
    im glad you got all that out, u sounded like you needed to, a very valid fucking point, no pot head will suck dick for weed, or rob anyone for a quarter, yet coke and hash alike are both illegal, and if you smoke weed your classed as a drug addict, this is the pot smokers dilema, you shouldn't have gotten so much into the coke tho man, crack, coke, smack, the three drugs id never take, highly addictive and sometimes very costly (pending on ur dealer sit) Glad ur off it though, doctors can prescibe hash this is true, but can also prescribe morphine and diamorphine(medical name for heroin). Pot should be legal this is a fact, it was legal since the dawn of time, which was only about 86million years ago, it was only in the last hundred years that man built up a problem with the stuff, it's a burden on society that it remains illegal, but as long as i can get it, im fairly happy
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    vin spoke on May 31, 2005 at 02:17 AM
    hay man, iv always been for the weed, it's people that have never even smoked it that got a problem with it, u can turn hash into paper (solves the cutting down of rainforests), clothes(gets rid of those nasty syntheitc fibres), oil(oils running out what you gonna do? use weed, the first cars henry ford ever designed ran on hashish) oil spills are very violent occurances, a hash spill however would just fertalise the land a bit more. Alcohol kills how many a year? Tabacco kills how many a year? Are these advertised to us every day by the media? Hash has killed how many in it's entire existence? I'm not saying legalise it and leave it at that, obviously there should be controls on what types are smoked, how much you smoke, if you can grow it or not, what age you smoke it at, but compared to every other drug an this fuckin planet hash simply doesn't compare. What are the bad pionts against hash? It might give you mental health problems down the line, it might make you hungry, it might make you whitey once in a blue moon, it might make you laugh? Cause god forbid we enjoy ourselves!!!
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    vin spoke on May 31, 2005 at 02:37 AM
    your a sick mother fucker, ok im not saying saddam was a nice guy, but u's had no right to march in there, that's a fact, another fact being that G.bush.sr owns a shit load of oil now his son is the president, just exactly how nieve are you americans? the fbi warned what was going to happen in august, did anyone pay attention? you cant go around trying to impose your shitty will and convert every country who doesn't fall under your stars and stripes regime, i mean america doesn't have the best track record, you know what i'm saying. And remember your only 300 years old, compared to everyone else in the worlds thats fuck all, and like a young spoilt chils you act in the same sense, your attention seeking, if you don't get your way you throw a tantrum, it's fucking pathetic. So america can build nuclear bombs but no one else can? Is that what your saying, you imature "We invented it first" petty little bastardiesd race. What happened to all the real americans, you know the american indians? Oh that's right, you slaughtered them all.
    Saddam killed innocents this is true, what about all the bombs you dropped, you honestly think they only hit terrorist hideouts? You probably killed as many innocents as he did, when did america(Bush) decide he could play god? but like the roman empire i can see america decline from within, remember your 50s baby boom? Well by 2010 do you have any idea how many people will be claiming pensions? i hope your ready for some tax en-grossments, and lets not forget your fleeting dollar!!! or the fact that the chinese and japanese are buying up all of the oil going around just now, stealing americas biggest contributor from canada, as well as russia, which leads on to germany and france.
    ok so saddam never built hospitals, what a dick, you stick people in the projects and sell them guns. So no ones perfect, all americas done since it got here was fight, there hadn't been a single world war before america, now we've had two, plus you've had shit loads of fights, usually for no reason, look a vietnam, that was a dispute between the vietnamise and the french, they settle the dispute, a week later the yanks show up and start blowing up "charlie", which is also a street name for cocaine, amusing ironic since all your troops were supplied drugs at some stage during the war.
    So to conclude your a bunch of cowboys, nieve cowboys at that. I seriously wish columbus had gone another way to get to the spice trade, then we might never have stumbled across the great mistake that was america.
    (Is it true you actually beleive everything you see?
    Wow what a retarded nation.)
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 31, 2005 at 03:39 AM
    Wrong, we had every right to take down Saddam.

    Chose your favorite reason:

    #1. He violated the 1991 cease fire agreement by not cooperating with the weapons inspectors. They caught him red handed multiple times.

    #2. He attempted to assassinate the first president Bush while he was visiting Kuwait.

    By using WMD as the primary justification, instead of these 2 reasons, we successfully intimidated Libya into giving up their WMD program. That is an outright success, and not even a single bullet was fired.

    These are both acts of war, which gives us justification to invade.

    As for the rest of your arguments, I'm not going to waste my time with you, you are obviously a child. For example, you know little about economics, or you would realize that a lower valued dollar can actually help our economy quite a bit, such as bringing back many manufacturing jobs, and increasing our exports. When you grow up and (hopefully) take an economics class, you will learn that it's actually healthy to have the value of a countries currency fluctuate over time, so long as its not rapid.

    Also, the Vietnamese didn’t settle their dispute with the French, they outright defeated them, which is consistent with French history (ha!). We should not have backed up the French, they are not worth it.

    Learn to type English, you child.
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    vin spoke on May 31, 2005 at 04:17 AM
    some ones a touchy mother fucker? Ok the Hutchkins report? Eva heard o that one you fucking reprobate? Dr. Hutchkins was sent over by the british government to investigate if iraqi had any weapons of mass destruction, you know what he found, fuck all, and his report clearly stated this, but it was blatently disregaurded until well and truly after the war was over. You didn't happen to see Blairs meeting with the un did u? They simply asked him one question, what evidence did you have for going into iraqi? And you know what, the cunt couldn't come up with a single answer.
    Valid point on your ecconomics though, but what about when it comes to trading with other countries? Exchange rates play a big part in that don't they? Or the import and export taxes?
    You ain't nothing but a bunch of war mongors!
    I know the vitenamise beaty the french, that was my whole fucking point you god damn bam!! What reason did you's have to stick your troops in? Yet again, you didn't have one.
    An trust me saddam aint the only guy in the world who would try to kill Bush!! Give me the chance an i'd quite happily get rid of that spoilt retard. I seruiously hope you wake up an realise what a state your country has got us all in, ever heard of "Pragmatism"? it's part of your learning styles, we have three others, just look up honey and monfords learning styles on the web, we are studing it at my uni at the moment, but the thing with pragmatism is it was invented by an american, also i'd recomened what pragmatism means, by adam smith, you've altered the way the world thinks, an it aint for the best, wish your race had never been created, but then again it's catch 22, seen as we created you.
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    vin spoke on May 31, 2005 at 04:31 AM
    P.S.

    why can america have nukes but no one else can?

    P.S.S.

    what's a bastardised race?

    P.S.S.

    Is it true if enough terror is imposed on america they can declare martial law?

    P.S.S.S.

    What's martial law?

    P.S.S.S.S.

    Shall i keep acting like a child/American?

    P.S.S.S.S.S.

    Does any of the Bush family have anything to do with the oil trade?

    P.S.S.S.S.S.S.

    Did the FBI tell everyone that a terrorist attack was imiment?

    P.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.

    Are the majority of americans selfish, vain, in love with themselves, chasing the american dream? According to your U.S. journals (1845) "We the american people, are the most inteligent, morale, happy people on the face of the earth." tad bit vain, wouldn't you say?
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