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    Apple iPod - 20GB
    Posted by burn2shine on Dec 02, 2003 at 05:06 PM

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    RickySilk's Avatar .
    RickySilk spoke on Dec 02, 2003 at 05:22 PM
    I just read a pretty cool story on NY Times about he innards of the ipod. [link]
    MetalKing's Avatar .
    MetalKing spoke on Dec 02, 2003 at 07:11 PM
    Dealing with Apples at work, I can't help myself here but to mention that Dell has the Digital Jukebox. [link]

    It has a longer battery life (Apple hasn't made to many friends with their poor battery life), USB 2.0 which is similar in speed to FireWire, and costs $100 cheaper. Sony also has one out that is cheaper than the IPod.

    The IPod is nice, but like all Apple hardware it has the "I cost at least $100 more than I'm worth to give you that false sense of elitism" thing going on.

    And before you attack me as some Apple hater, I run our schools only OS X server, support our Apple computer labs, and deal with our Novell/Mac compatibility problems. I don't mind them, I just think they are overpriced.
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    MetalKing spoke on Dec 02, 2003 at 07:22 PM
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    jellyfish spoke on Dec 02, 2003 at 07:53 PM
    I love everything about these things (even the battery life doesn't bother me too much) except the price. It's just too damn expensive to justify. I have a minidisc player at the moment which can hold 5 hours of music per disc, which isn't too bad, to record stuff you have to listen to it all which is annoying if you're in a hurry.

    Should they ever come down in price, or I should happen upon one cheap somehow, I will definitely get it, but before that there's no chance.

    I really don't think Apple would lose any of the "wantablility" if they brought the price down a bit. Plus, they'd sell a whole lot more. Guess they're just greedy.
    WhipItGood's Avatar .
    WhipItGood spoke on Dec 03, 2003 at 10:21 AM
    The iPod is a nifty piece of design but way too expensive.
    Go with the Archos Jukebox instead. The design isn't as stylish, but it holds twice the tunes for half the price. Can't beat that!
    KingKipper's Avatar .
    KingKipper spoke on Dec 08, 2003 at 05:19 AM
    I had an archos before but I didn't really like it. It was a poor design, and the navigation of the menus was crap. It also looks like a piece of shit where as the ipod does look the part. Oh and the archos broke after a week :/
    KingKipper's Avatar .
    KingKipper spoke on Dec 08, 2003 at 05:21 AM
    ...and that wasn't because I dropped it
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    Green spoke on Dec 12, 2003 at 04:08 PM
    did something eat it? did you drop it in a fish tank, did you throw it at your cat? or did you use it to clean your chimney?
    i've never had either, but i've used the ipod, its kinda cool, but i still hate mac's, and think that the ipod is far too expensive
    jellyfish's Avatar .
    jellyfish spoke on Jan 24, 2004 at 06:43 PM
    Having said that, I've just come across this [link] which seems to have everything the iPod has and more. I've not found any major drawbacks for it yet, CNET says "Display text is small; slow scrolling; slight learning curve; limited Mac compatibility." - first two I can live with and I don't have a Mac anyway, so it all seems good. The only bad thing is price tag, in the UK anyway. about $375 but cheapest in UK so far is Amazon at £250, not exactly sticking to the exchange rate. Hopefully the price might come down now the HP 140 is out, if I saw this somewhere for £200 +/- £10 I'd buy it straight away.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Jan 26, 2004 at 01:42 PM
    You know, it is so much cheaper to buy one of those nice (huge anti-skip buffer) CD players that handle mp3 files.

    I can get plenty of songs on a 800MB CD and if I need to I can always carry 2 of them. I think I'll just start doing that instead. Ipod looks good but I'm not wasting that much money on it. (Sort of like the cinema displays being nice but way too expensive) I'd rather buy a kicking car stereo or even a home theatre system for the price of an ipod.

    Hell a gas powered scooter would be a bigger blast than the chic statement an ipod would provide.
    burn2shine's Avatar .
    burn2shine spoke on Jan 26, 2004 at 01:47 PM
    Yeah, but why worry about carrying two of them when one ipod is lighter than both (or even one...damn they are small)? Not to mention the storage capacity and rechargeable battery for extra life.

    No arguments I guess on the car stereo (although you can't get top of the line for $200) but how can you get a good home theatre for that money?

    I guess I just like having all that music right there with me, whenever I want it. If you don't need to carry much music around with you then it probably is a bit much...
    xob's Avatar .
    xob spoke on Feb 01, 2004 at 05:44 PM
    Yes, I like to save my money for things that are better and cost less then that pile of shit.
    jellyfish's Avatar .
    jellyfish spoke on Feb 01, 2004 at 07:42 PM
    Actually, having said that, they all suck. There's is nothing out there that really fits what I'm looking for and for £200+, I'm not going to compromise. Suprisingly it's this Philips one [link] which I never heard of that suits my needs the best. It looks kind of odd, but as long as it's small enough I don't really care. Apparently it's been discontinued but if I find out it's what I'm looking for I might try to track one down on eBay or something.
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    jellyfish spoke on Feb 01, 2004 at 07:54 PM
    It hasn't been discontinued, but the firmware is buggy as hell and it's too quiet. Shame, because apart from those two big things, it is the thing I was looking for. Oh well, guess I'll have to stick with my minidisc player for now.
    KingKipper's Avatar .
    KingKipper spoke on Feb 05, 2004 at 01:22 PM
    Fail to see how anything can be "better" if it were a pile of shit it wouldn't be the industry standard.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 02, 2004 at 07:07 PM
    Just bought a 40 Gb Ipod and it's a piece of junk. Battery life is miserable and Apple tech support is worthless. Don't waste your hard-earned cash on this lemon.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 03, 2004 at 08:11 PM
    Yeah, sure you did pal.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 03, 2004 at 08:18 PM
    So the iPod is overpriced?
    I suppose any number of the cheaper alternatives could be used as a bootable hard-drive, huh?
    Oh wait. *No they can't*
    I've used my iPod as an emergency back-up system disk *many a time*, not to mention to shuttle important video footage between computers while on the road.

    So the iPod is overpriced? Yeah, only if your time is worthless.
    jellyfish's Avatar .
    jellyfish spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 10:18 AM
    Many a time? That doesn't exactly say a lot for the reliability of your computer.

    Anyway, I don't want a frickin' hard drive back up, I want an mp3 player that can store thousands of songs with a decent battery life. That is why I'll eventually get the iRiver.
    Tekiran's Avatar .
    Tekiran spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 11:37 AM
    He also didn't mention the fact that it only works as a bootable hard drive for Macs, which many foobs don't even have so it's kind of a moot point.

    As for you jelly, consider the Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox. It seems to have most everything you want. 8-10 hours battery life on one battery, and you can use two. 20gb and 40 gb sizes. It's about the size of a mp3 cd player, though, and the cheapest i found it was around 250 bucks. Just a thought.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 11:54 AM
    Yes the iPod is overpriced. Just because it can be used as a bootable device doesn't mean anything to most folks.

    People buy it to play music. If I want an emergency recovery device, I'll buy a 1GB usb2 thumbdrive for $100.

    Important video footage... and you use an iPod for it. Interesting. Why not leave the "important" video in the even more important video camera and shuttle that?

    A good pr0n flick will fun over your petty little 20GB. Even DIVX encoded a full screen movie will run you a nice 180GB. Your iPod is only good for the money shot (no punintended).

    I piss on your iPod.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 12:02 PM
    Which iRiver? The iHP-120? That one looks pretty sweet. The iHP-140 is even better but has a hefty price tag.
    jellyfish's Avatar .
    jellyfish spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 12:04 PM
    It looks too big and I've heard it's not all that fantastic. But when I eventually get round to buying an mp3 player (i.e. when my minidisc player goes to audio heaven) I will test that just to make sure it's not what I want.

    Although I previously said I'd buy an iPod if they were cheap enough, now, even if they were the same price as other players and had the same battery life, I'd pick something else because they simply aren't as good as the other players (of course I'm talking about in terms of what I'm looking for).
    burn2shine's Avatar .
    burn2shine spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 12:08 PM
    Do you know the difference between a GIGAbit and a MEGAbit Jynxed? Cuz i dont think you do.

    A DVD quality video clocks in at 4.5 GB. Last time I checked, 20 is more than 4.5. In fact, you could hold almost 4 whole DVD quality porns on an iPod if you wanted to.

    Fucktard, I piss on you.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 12:34 PM
    How many dvd quality videos have you seen ripped for download there cumsucker? Also we're talking bytes not bits fuckface.

    For the most part they (the downloads) are layered mp3s or avis, or some other odd format. Those take up quite a bit more space than dvds. Granted divx codec helps a bit but not enough. Perhaps it is poor ripping jobs. Either way they can be a lot larger than necessary but that was hardly the point.

    Obviously the real point flew right over your head. I'm sorry you got so defensive and your panties in a twist because I don't bown down and worship your shitty mac products. Too fucking bad.

    A DVD quality video clocks in at 4.5 GB. Last time I checked, 20 is more than 4.5.

    Last time I checked you needed a dvd quality dvd player or a dvd emulator to play a dvd which is dvd quality.

    Indeed, you are a fucktard.

    Why don't you go back to sucking your iPod's dick mac-boy.
    burn2shine's Avatar .
    burn2shine spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 12:45 PM
    Even 192kb mp3s are only 4-5MB in size
    A DivX movie runs between 200-800MB

    A GB is 1000 MB, and 20GB is 20,000MB. Therefore, you can hold quite a few DivX movies and mp3s.

    I've done raw video and raw sound editing. A typical 60 minute show, broken down into mpeg quality (thus, better than divx) runs about 4GB for the video and 2GB for high quality audio. All of that would STILL fit on 20GB

    This has nothing to do with the iPod, as I'm not defending the device itself, I'm simply pointing out that you are bashing something (the storage and file system) and seem to know nothing about how it works.

    Feel free to keep flailing though, your making yourself look even worse with every inane post
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 03:24 PM
    A GB is 1000 MB, and 20GB is 20,000MB. Therefore, you can hold quite a few DivX movies and mp3s.

    No shit sherlock. I know how it works. And As I qualified, there are people out there who don't properly compress things. The whole money shot comment got you riled for no reason. You wanted to be a pendantic little cunt.

    Also consider that you are comparing apples and orangutans. Take a full dvd quality rip that is not reencoded and copied onto a layered disc, FULL SCREEN video mind you, and that size jumps up. Sure divx helps but not everything is compressed properly or with divx.

    Why would someone who is supposedly all knowing confuse bits vs. bytes I don't understand but hey, I don't comprehend the fucktard brain (or lack thereof) so I guess I'll never know.

    Like I said the point went right over your head. You are only jumping in because it's your precious mac being besmirched.

    The storage 20GB means shit. You can't play a dvd movie on it. So the whole argument of you being able to store so many dvd "quality" movies is poitnless. The "features" that are being touted as so special is what I'm bashing. You can get the same crap with devices meant for that.

    As it was pointed out even the bootability if flawed.

    Feel free to keep flailing though, your making yourself look even worse with every inane post

    Another passive aggressive little cowardly jibe because you can't hack it. You were shut out and need to be a little bitch about it. That's fine, you're entitled. However my rubbing your face in it is hardly flailing monkey-boy.

    Th fastest way to get you out of hiding is to call a mac shit because it is, and you'll come running. You are a fucking cowardly little shit. Sucks to be you.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 03:31 PM
    The original poster to this off tangent thread was being an arrogant little mac elitist prick. He was put in his place. Can't handle it, tough.

    The iPod doesn't "rock all." This is very much arguable. The fact that there are arguably better items ont he market and at better prices lend to the argument.

    I'm sorry you can't handle that people disagree with your little mac idolatry Burn, but really, get a life. It's only a piece of electronic trash.

    Being a pendandic shit doesn't make you appear intelligent. It makes you look like a snertish asshole that doesn't have a clue. the passive aggressive comments just make you look even more like a pussy.

    Of course we al know you'll try and find some way to throw in yet another snertish comment and backtrack in some way but you aren't fooling anyone.

    You try way too hard. Worship your piece of junk and be done with it. Don't force your religion on others :D
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 03:36 PM
    No arguments I guess on the car stereo (although you can't get top of the line for $200) but how can you get a good home theatre for that money?

    We got a very nice eclipse for a little over 200. It was only 100 for us because our insurance deductible though :eyemouth:

    As for the home theatre systems, there are many options out there. Bigger doesn't always mean better. There are quite a few options out there in the $200 range that are very decent. The Kenwood system I want is a bit more but thats because I'm paying for the name hehe.


    I guess I just like having all that music right there with me, whenever I want it.

    I would like it for snowboarding but if you wipe out you just crushed (possibly) a piece of really expensive equipment. I'd rather go with a skip protection cd player that plays mp3s. Cheaper to replace. But that's just me.
    Killforfunandforfree's Avatar .
    Killforfunandforfree spoke on Mar 04, 2004 at 03:59 PM
    Piracy kicks ass!!!!!!!
    Tekiran's Avatar .
    Tekiran spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 12:51 AM
    An 800 mb cd? gee golly! where can i get me one? :D lol. just giving you a hard time. i'm sure you meant 700.
    jellyfish's Avatar .
    jellyfish spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 04:44 AM
    Yeah the Hp-120. I want a lot of space, but I don't need as much as 40gb so the Hp-120 will be fine. It's still too expensive over here though so it won't be happening for a while.
    holyjuan's Avatar .
    holyjuan spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 07:47 AM
    Your selfpostings are almost overshadowing Rev's!
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    holyjuan spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 08:00 AM
    Don't force your religion on others. That's ripe coming from you.

    Rev's Religion Math as brought to you by this thread

    God made earth in .007 days.
    Jesus was turned over for .03 pieces of silver
    The .012 disciples follow Jesus' teachings
    Follow the .01 commandments.
    jellyfish's Avatar .
    jellyfish spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 09:56 AM
    I was just thinking out loud. Except I didn't say it, I posted it on here.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 12:00 PM
    Doh, yep. My bad. I'm thinking of the 80 minutes ;)
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 12:04 PM
    Althought they do make 750MB and 800MB CD-Rs

    Here's a couple of links for the 800MB cdrs:
    [link]
    [link]

    These provide an extra 10 minutes of play time. I haven't had a chance to test them with nero so I'm sure if it or any of the drives I have can handle them :D
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 12:07 PM
    Oh and here is a list of drives that can supposedly burn the high capacity cdrs: [link]

    But either way I was only thinking of the 80 minute discs because the higher cap. cdrs aren't as common or popular.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 12:10 PM
    It isn't the "standard".

    The "standard" would be the base that everyone else was going off of.

    While there may be some features other are trying to mimic (high capacityHD), the standard setter was around long before iPod.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 12:17 PM
    I was being sarcastic. Others (libs) are always pulling that argument so I though it was rather fun to do the same. You're just too stupid to see what was going on.

    Also I don't care if you burn in hell. Ergo, I'm not pushing my religion on anyone. I will only defend my religion against people telling lies about it, answer questions if any are posed, or offer opinions on things which religion are concerned.

    Thanks for the early morning troll. I needed that to get my day started right. It just wouldn't be Foo if th resident troll wasning being a cocksucker first thing in the morning.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 12:18 PM
    What does that have to do with the fact that iPods suck monkey balls?

    I'm just not making the connection. Could you possibly explain your comment?
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 04:16 PM
    I was of course referring to the piracy kicks ass comment :D
    Tekiran's Avatar .
    Tekiran spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 07:59 PM
    i'd heard of overburning the 700 mb cdrs and getting a few dozen megs or so on it, but i haven't seen the 800 mb cd-rs. i imagine they're not too good though, mainly because they're not standard. no point in having a 800 mb cd if most cd drives can't read it all.
    holyjuan's Avatar .
    holyjuan spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 08:14 PM
    I own you.

    All five piercings.

    Next time you are feeling depressed and you go to get the 6th piercing, think of me.

    Just remember, Christ had three piercings. How are you two better than Christ?
    Killforfunandforfree's Avatar .
    Killforfunandforfree spoke on Mar 06, 2004 at 12:02 AM
    Damn.... did someone piss in your coffee Rev? I wish we were roomates... we'd hate it. LOL it meant that anything having to do with the dismantling of anything corporate I support. Fuckin monkeyballs.... where do you get this shit? Give me some. additionally because I know we are going to be the best of friends... I could use some advice on that waste stuff Rev. I just stepped of of a boat from the middle of the Bering Sea so I am a little rusty. Thanks.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 06, 2004 at 04:54 AM
    No, it was just a question. I happen to also think iPods are overpriced pieces of trash is all.

    The "waste" stuff? Again you lost me there chummer. Maybe it's too early... or late since I've been up for 24 hours already.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 06, 2004 at 09:12 AM
    Since the foot spike went through two feet it's 4 piercings. Let also not forget the crown of thorns.

    You don't own shit fagmo.

    I do need to ask though. Why do you consider piercings something that has to do with depression? Sure self mutilation can be because of depression but by that logic pretty much everyone on the planet who has a piercing (pretty much most women, and many a men) are depressed.

    A couple of my piercings I did get when life was pretty stagnant and I had nothing better to do. The rest I got because I liked them. In retrospect it may have been depression but looking at life in general it was more likely boredom.
    Reverend Jynxed's Avatar .
    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 06, 2004 at 09:13 AM
    Andnice threadjacking fucktard. PErhaps this should have gone in the piercing thread instead.

    Can't even troll right anymore. Thats just proof I'm getting under your skin boy.
    holyjuan's Avatar .
    holyjuan spoke on Apr 11, 2004 at 08:50 PM
    I never returned to check on these trolls that I threw out. Ha!

    Man, I had you ruffled. I still own you.

    Owning means I post a line or two and you come back with some life story to justify the topic of the joke I made. OWNED!

    Owning means your replies are full of spelling errors and typos even though you clock out at 65 WPM. (another lie) OWNED!

    Owning means you have to reply two to three times to the same post before I reply. OWNED!

    Owning means that the final line of your post is usually "You are losing your touch." The standard comeback of the weak. OWNED!

    Shit, I own you so much, I'm going to sell you on e-bay.
    holyjuan's Avatar .
    holyjuan spoke on Apr 12, 2004 at 09:44 PM
    I told you I would... [link]
    ZakkFlash's Avatar .
    ZakkFlash spoke on Jun 24, 2005 at 12:39 AM
    [link]

    My friend has that and says it owns the iPod. Playing with it, I'd hafta admit I agree.
    RickySilk's Avatar .
    RickySilk spoke on Jun 25, 2005 at 02:02 PM
    I've been eyeballing it since linux seems to have good support of it. [link]

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