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    I'M NOT THE MILITARY TYPE
    Posted by burn2shine on Aug 17, 2000 at 12:00 AM

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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 18, 2000 at 12:00 AM
    I have to totaly agree here with burn2shine on a few points. First we are a corporate run society where money talks and politicians turn on a dime. Personally I did register for the selective service because I just did not know any better. Will I fight if i am called upon? Probally. Do i want to fight? hell no If i wanted to go to war i would hav joined the air force a long time ago when i was still interested. Dont get me wrong I have a very high respect for any one serving in the armed forces, but it is not for me. I must also agree with burn2shine about women not having to register. If they want equal treatment then they should be treated just like men. I highly doubt the army is going to send a single mom to war. Anyway that is my 2 cents.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 18, 2000 at 10:56 AM
    I wish you luck in your fight against the man. I remember when I was eighteen I felt the same way about registering for the selective service. And I didn't. At some point I must have though, because I was eligible for student loans and earned income credit. (probably the reason I ended up signing up). If I am gang to put my life on the line for any cause it will not be out of allegiance to a country. It will be out of my allegiance to equal rights and justice. Something this country still lacks if you happen to be American Indian, Black, Hispanic, Female, Gay or all of the above.

    Yes, I know that this country is a lot better than others.....but when was the last time you saw an American Indian walking down the street. Imagine going to Africa and not seeing a black person. Does the word Genocide come to mind? My point is that while before we condemn and declare war on other nations we should probably work on healing the open wounds festering on the ghettos and reservations of America.

    Our government consistently acts more like a gang than a civil organization. A good example was during the eighties when Libya was suspected of terrorism. Instead of dealing with Libya from a diplomatic level we bombed Kadafis house and killed at least four of his adopted children. Just like a drive by shooting. In the words of Perry Ferrell:

    "The Gang and the Government are no different"

    Peace
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    AquaVelvet spoke on Aug 18, 2000 at 11:23 PM
    I also registered, but only cuz back then I was more patriotic than I am now. Which actually bothers me. Not because I think the state of the union IS more enlightened, but because I've become more cynical. Because I don't care enough to try to change things like I did when I was 18. And I can't honestly say whether I would fault mr. shine or any other kid in America for feeling the same way. The government that asks them to give up their lives without equivocation also labors under the delusion that it's youth aren't worth a shit. The past mistakes, though, are simply that. Past mistakes. And no less. Healing these wounds cannot involve punishing the current government. Only by altering the current status can this be accomplished. Which, by necessity, involves participating in it. A corner the government, *sigh* has painted itself into with such behavior as trying to eliminate the Dept of Education, etc.. you know what I'm saying.
    On the going to war for my country issue: Would I go? Yes. Proudly. Not because of the goal of the thing, or my nation, but because by going, I'd know that some other kid wouldn't have to.
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    RickySilk spoke on Aug 19, 2000 at 08:37 AM
    I'm pretty sure I'm registered with the selective service. It's been a while since I was 18. If there ever is a draft again, they won't want me. I'm to old. They want those young 18-19 year olds. Even though I'll whip some young whipper-snapper ass. I digress. burn2shine, would you not protect me from hostile enemy forces looking to take my life? I'm hurt. I know my trusty side-kick Adam would smile and take a bullet for me.

    RickySilk
    slightly-aged-but-still-saucy
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    burn2shine spoke on Aug 19, 2000 at 10:31 PM
    Don't worry RickySilk. I'll be yo knight in shining armor. "I will be, your private solider...I will be your..."



    Umm..nevermind.



    I dunno who that Adam person is. Sounds like a loser to me. And I personally don't wanna know what your term "side-kick" means...ya sicko.
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    burn2shine spoke on Jan 27, 2001 at 06:44 PM
    Just a little update: I was forced to register for the selective service on friday. They threatened to send me to the Department of Justice. I just didn't want to run the risk of them coming to my house and seeing all my illegal games and music and stuff. Oh well, I still stand by my beliefs on the subject.
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    Bella1911 spoke on May 03, 2001 at 09:33 PM
    Okay, as a pretty buff little chick and a feminist, I can tell you burn, that NO, girls are not as able to fight in battle. That's just the way it is. Women are not as emotionally able or as physically able to handle KILLING someone else. I am speaking from a pacifist point of view, and you CAN decline registration for religious and ideological reasons. However, you DO believe in this country if you LIKE this country, and in war you aren't only defending your country, you are defending your way of life, which you seem pretty pleased with. Also, you can register non-active, meaning that if (and when) our country goes to war again, you will find yourself behind acozy little desk somewhere (while someone else does the dirty work).
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    RickySilk spoke on May 04, 2001 at 10:25 AM
    I would fight in a war, but I would want some kind of elite fighting unit. The fact that I would be doing our country a favor is just a bonus the main reason I would do it is for the adrenaline rush.
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    burn2shine spoke on May 04, 2001 at 10:26 AM
    It's obvious that being a girl, you have no clue how the registration thing works. You can only get out of registering for the selective service (this is not the draft) by being in a mental hospital, in prison, an illegal alien or a girl. Religious/Ideological aspects play no part in registering, sadly (you know me, you know I would fight it that way if I could). And as far as the country goes, I said that I will willingly defend it IF we were attacked directly. But I'm not going to go over to China and kill people just because Dubya has a hard on to use all those new weapons he has bought.
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    Bella1911 spoke on May 05, 2001 at 11:57 PM
    Yes you can deny registration, but you have to fill out a bunch of special forms and endure an interviewing process (I guess that's where the government decides if they "like" your reasons for denying registration or not). And I may not be the authority, being a girl and all (ha ha), but as you well know Burn, I do have a few male friends who are eighteen and delt with this same problem in that manner.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Jun 27, 2001 at 03:34 PM
    dont fight for these stupid bastards. dont fight for any stupid bastards. dont fight at all. if you kill somebody its murder. even if George Bush tells you to, its still murder.
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    Oigrrrl spoke on Jul 14, 2001 at 12:31 PM
    This is July, so I'm sure nobody is reading my comment. Anyway, I agree with you for not registering for war. It should be every person's right to decline. War is a wretched, pointless and selfish act that Americans participate in. Protecting corporate America really shows how idiotic Americans have gotten over the years. Not to mention that the majority of our corporations are responsable for corruption of morals and values. Children can't even watch cartoons anymore, without being sucked into the media adds, and having Viacomm (for example) and its conglomerates publisizing various programs. Various programs which include sex, violence, greed, and corruption... all to gain capital. It really makes you want to think a second time about the world we live in.

    As for Bella. It's great that you're a buff little chick and a feminist. But there is a difference between a Feminist and a "femi-nazi-anti-man-girl." You're supposed to be a feminist... so stick up for women, dammit. Women are emotionally able... or should we say, why are men more emotionally able? No. I don't agree with War. at all. And I don't think that women OR men should be forced to fight.

    Second, again to bella... You completely contradicted yourself in your post. Do YOU believe in your country? do YOU like your country? then it's really not an emotional capability you need, it's defending your way of life, and country... what happens if the chinese want to bomb all of the "femi-nazi-anti-man-girls"? Are you going to make the men fight for you? The men who you descriminate because you think that they're not emotional enough? Judging people by their sex is rediculous, it's pretty much like racisim... "black" people are called dumb, because of the color of their skin. So men are considered emotionally unbalanced because... they're men. Right.

    I won't defend this country, or the lifestyle of this country. Because it's crap. In the past 100 years, we have developed more poverty, more disease, horrid educational systems, and vulgar media. This all adds up to a good economey... well great AMERICANS! we've come so far! Ha. We have improved, econimically, great... woo. And we've improved socially, a little. But for the most part, politicians are concerned with the economy, how much money we're bringing in, yada, yada, yada. You'd be surprised to look at how much extra time our leaders spend on the economy, and how little time they spend on the problems we face everyday.

    So really, I think that american leaders should concentrate on the problems that americans face everyday. War isn't necessary. Go read Slaughterhouse five, sheesh.
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    MoneyMan spoke on Oct 16, 2001 at 12:04 PM
    Hmmm....

    1.) We ALLOW this country to be an extension of Corporate America. If a grass-roots effort held any appeal to people, things would change. In reality, the sheeple out there will follow blindly until something so rattles them that they exercise their rights to change how the system operates. In the meantime.... well .... Baaaaaa

    2.) The U.S. hasn't been in jeopardy since WW-II.... well, that has changed so self-evidently that I won't comment further. Just think twice before snorting that "free cocaine" that came via US mail this morning.

    3.) The concept of "service" to our country has gone out of favor (but maybe coming back?). Such service need not necessarily be military. However, the concept of giving back should probably extend beyond giving 6.5% of your pay to rotting old folks who get 7 times the inflation adjusted amount of money they paid into Social Security as benefits.

    I need to go back to grazing in my field.... baaaaaa.....
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    Bella1911 spoke on Dec 12, 2001 at 10:39 PM
    Wow Oigrrrl -- I'm glad to see that you know how to spell! I'm not quite sure how supporting a proven, empirically supported, psycholoical fact makes me a "femi-nazi-anti-man-girl." Are we projecting, perhaps? Hmmm ... do you live in this country? Do you drive a car? Talk on a phone? Eat three square meals a day? Geez, sounds rough -- maybe you should leave. Being a pacifist means that you don't support war, not that you don't support your country. If this nation is so bad and sick, why do you live here? If you can't acknowledge that the United States has had some success (um ... world leader, lowest mortality rate, hello.), then maybe you should just paddle across the pond where all that vulgar t.v. is aired a few months after U.S. release. Oh, and by the way, Kurt happens to be my mentor.
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    RickySilk spoke on Mar 04, 2002 at 05:39 PM
    I'm a droid engineered to be the ultimate killing machine and when things get really bad in Afghanistan my creator will flip a switch and i'll run over there and whoop things back into order.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 17, 2002 at 04:46 PM
    Sure, Bosnia was a school house brawl. Seppo!
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    daydreamtime spoke on Aug 15, 2002 at 10:59 PM
    Well, as a former female in the Army. I do not feel that women should be in the army with men. I went through basic training that start out with 80 females and graduated maybe 20, the dropout rate among the males was not nearly as high not even a third. Furtherly women can get pregnant and as far as I'm concerned that's endangering another life and or causing one, if you think the enemy would'nt take the opportunity to rape a female soldier, just look at what they do to their own women. On top of that, it is hard for morale, men and women training together, the spouses of of these soldiers don't need then added stress of finding out your wife was in the feild with 200 men for a month, and v/v. Women can be in the military serving in separate units, and I don't think combat is a place them either. The female body and hormones are just not equipted for that. Well, I'm biased, mine wasn't, I hated it. My husband, who is currently in the Army(very patriotic fellow), believes in selective service, but not always in everything that the country is standing for. He just think that if you are going to vote for what they do and or possibly become a politician and boss him around, you should have a little taste of what it's like to be there first. I haven't exactly formed a functional opinion on this yet.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Aug 16, 2002 at 12:34 PM
    I'm confused, daydreamtime... so you're saying you're not a female anymore too? Interesting, very interesting. Do go on.
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    daydreamtime spoke on Aug 16, 2002 at 12:54 PM
    Well, there was this accident you see....you anonomous little fucker I don't have to explain myself to you. It's obvious I'm not in the military any longer. Well, actually, I could see where you would ask that, my wording was a little off and that's kind of funny.
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    burn2shine spoke on Aug 16, 2002 at 01:59 PM
    I can understand your point of view, having been through it. But I still hold to my belief that women should have to register. I do see how having them go into combat might be a problem, but if those recruitment commercials by the army are to be believed, they could be drafted into non combat positions (base operations, computer experts, etc). This way, everyone is treated the same and a lot of the problems you outlined - which are, quite frankly, worst case scenarios - could be avoided.

    It simply does not seem to be constitutionally fair for women to fight for the same rights as men but then back away when it comes to fighting for the country. That's just my opinon anyways.

    Lord, looking at the date on this article, it's almost 2 years old! Wow!
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    daydreamtime spoke on Aug 16, 2002 at 02:18 PM
    I agree about them registering, there should however be exception for both men and women. If all the men go fight who is left to take care of the homefront if all the women go too? To hell with women's lib, I want to be home with my kids, I have an important role in society. That is just my stupid opinion though, nothing I say is law, just what's best for me.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Oct 11, 2002 at 02:08 PM
    Hey people!
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    holyjuan spoke on Oct 14, 2002 at 10:01 PM
    I wouldn't concern yourself with the draft. From what you've written, I can clearly see that you are a pansy and would be immediately disqualified from military service.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Nov 11, 2002 at 05:20 AM
    I will happily murder any muslim I think I can get away with. I do not plan to leave the U.S. to accomplish this goal. In the words of Samual Jackson "motherfucker, I'm a mushroom cloud layin motherfucker! , motherfucker."
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    ravinjunkie spoke on Nov 11, 2002 at 10:37 PM
    what is your problem with Muslims? do you realise how ignorant you sound? if you hate Muslims so much be proud of it and show your face instead of hiding as an anonymous coward.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 03, 2003 at 10:10 PM
    i am with you holy juan....a guy with thoughts such as this more than likely wears a small t-shirt and still has room to fit another one his size in there. (little bird chested shit). if you dont have the balls to come with us to the middle east to fight for all the little fucks sitting behind computers criticizing what we ddo, then go live with the saudi arabian folk....fucking liberal pussy
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    Sunfire spoke on Mar 04, 2003 at 08:48 AM
    I for one do not understand the point in reinstating the draft, if it were to happen. Sure, if the military's low on manpower they might get that idea, but does it really benefit them to bring in people who have no motivation to fight nor to even serve in non-combat jobs?

    Being that I'm neither american nor in the military I might not be seeing it from the right perspective, but the way I see it, bringing in draftees would hurt the military more than benefit it. It'd lose its professionalism. If I was a professional soldier, one of the worst things I could imagine would be serving next to a bunch of unmotivated jackasses who did nothing but sabotage the efficiency of the unit. Take WW2, a lot of people joined the paratroopers so they wouldn't have to share a foxhole with someone who didn't want to fight in the first place. They wanted the guy next to them to be someone they could rely on. I don't see why the military would be willing to give that up.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 13, 2003 at 02:22 PM
    "but does it really benefit them to bring in people who have no motivation to fight nor to even serve in non-combat jobs?"

    Operation human shield. We need fodder. They make the best kind. If we used people who wanted to be there, we would be left with nothing but a bunch of weak willed pussies to defend our nation. ;)

    At any rate yes, I agree with the draft being a bad idea. Fine, don't join, but don't come down on those who do join and volunteer to fight for your rights is my motto. They deserve your respect and support.

    It is amazing how so many people are quick to say those people who join have nothing better in their lives but it isn't true.
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    L1nk1nPRkSuXxC0Xx spoke on Nov 26, 2003 at 12:05 AM
    I agree, I am currently in the process of signing up for delayed enlistment for the Marine Corps, my whole family has been in the military, and I understand that freedom isn't free, which is why we are basically the only one's free, and it really makes me mad when people say that war is bad and stop the killing and everything, because with out the brave souls that fight and die for our country, my father and grandfather included, we would probably be living in a communist country, and then those who do have the right to speak out against their government would be killed instantly. So I say if you don't like the way that this country handles its business to protect yours and my freedom then just get the hell out of here, I'm sure Iraq would want you.

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