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    The Condemnation and Bigotry of Organized Religion
    Posted by Leptictitious on Mar 20, 2003 at 09:46 PM

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    DC spoke on Mar 20, 2003 at 09:58 PM
    for the first comment!
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 20, 2003 at 10:28 PM
    NOTE: I guess you could say that most Eastern Philisophies (Shintoism, Doaism, Confusionism, Buddhism, etc) are more philisophies and don't do most of the stuff that regular organised religions get accused of. Just incase we have any Foobies on the path of the Dao.
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    IndigoShaper spoke on Mar 20, 2003 at 11:06 PM
    You probably just insulted the 6 billion religious people! That is NOT good for public relations ;)

    However, although the religions might seem to codemn and be intolerant to others, does not neccessarily mean they are not true. Since humans are no where near perfect, we could have perhaps skewed the meaning of religion to a point where it makes sense to some, no sense to others. If there is a god, and he did speak his words to prophets who wrote them in the various holy books, perhaps the prophets misinterpreted what he/she was saying to them and with handwritten copies being made, translated etc, the interpretation/meaning would become hazy.

    Not that I have a religion or anything but just giving and argument. Also, you seem to concentrate on bashing christianity and ambiguously advocating buddism;) - it would be helpful to mention Islam in a bit more detail though.

    That said, religion has given people hope to live for - ie. they wont get depressed knowing that their body will become soil or whatever when they die.

    I distinctly remember seeing a documentary to test religion, where they asked churches, mosques, whatever around the world to pray for a group of terminally ill patients, while another group was not prayed for. The group that was prayed for stayed alive longer that the group that wasn't. Although this contradicts everything in scienctific beliefs, it does sound a bit freaky.
    Perhaps all religions are correct; you can just choose the one you like. Maybe there are several gods in the universe, each competing for followers, therefore in their religious books stating that other gods do not exist, like a really big multinational company competing with others. Who knows - I suppose the only way anyone will really know is when they die.
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    DC spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 12:05 AM
    You should have just named the editorial "Christianity sucks," because thats the position you take. You manage to criticize Christianity while looking at it from a disaffected Christian's point of view, not as an unbiased commentator.

    Religion is a philosophy. Science was created by philosophers many years ago. Science is nothing but a sterile process to deduce facts and test hypothesii (spelling?). Philosophy is the study of principalities, values, knowledge, etc. using logic rather than empirical methods that science uses. They are completely seperate things and the arguement can be made either way that science disproves or enhances religion. Philosophy and science are not meant as replacements but compliments for eachother.

    You wield the word "discriminatory" like a loaded gun. Discrimination is not unjust on certain principals. There are certain discriminations made when entering college, the workplace, and in life based on success, intellect, morals, etc. Discrimination on basis of sexuality, race, or gender is inherently unjust because it has no logical impact on these morals and successes that define human beings. If God chose to discriminate based on moral character; if God chose to discriminate between what He deems right and wrong, it can and would be just because God, being the ultimate ideal of good, rightly defines those rights and wrongs that should compose the moral and intellectual fiber of human beings.

    The Bible never claims to be the only source, but the only correct and moral source for happiness and morality. Depending on your specific beliefs, others are not condemned if they haven't heard the word of God, regardless of what you may have heard. But, they shall be judged if they willfullly reject that word.

    You don't need a Devil to be mislead. Orthodox jews don't believe in a Devil. And although there may/may not have been a Devil, Adam and Eve intentionally disobeyed God, which is incidentally the same reason God cannot forcast individual humans' future's - they are free willed. Or, if you subscribe to the notion of predetermination, then its purely in his purpose and God's nature can't be known. *He was intentionally surprised when he knew Eve betrayed him, figure that one out.* Or you could do a combination of both, saying you do have free-will, but only in the context of God's ultimate purpose. Meaning in the end, if you screw up, you will go either to heaven or hell regardless of your free-will. The buck ultimately stops at God.

    I'm not sure a mass-flood eliminating all the "evil" humans can be called an atrocity, since God defines what is right and wrong and life is a gift from him.

    Being good, just, and veangeful are not contradictory. You have stated before that you believe all war is unjust. I'm sure God, the Source of justice, sees differently.

    During the passover, God's angel was doing the executing.
    The rest of the stuff rests too much on personal belief.

    I read about intolerance somewhere and I'll take my example from Catholics. They are intolerant towards religions because they believe they have the only true faith, but they are accepting of their personal and individual choice and reserve judgement for God.

    In the end, its this God, whether it be a personal moral or a higher being, we must always account for.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 09:02 AM
    Well the reason I concentrated on Christianity is because that is perhaps the biggest example, everyone here is really in the know when it comes to them, also, if I used Christianity as an example, I wont get shot.

    Look, this is just my views in light of the recent boost of Dogmatism lately, it really has become a were right your wrong thing. I was just using Christianity because it is perhaps the best known example of dogmatism. And I don't try to propagate Buddhism. I'm sorry if it came off that way.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 09:06 AM
    Jesus said that he was the only way to salvation. I think that means he was saying just that, he was the only way to salvation. So, the Jews, who don't believe in him as the Song of 'God', what do you say to them?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 09:10 AM
    I wasn't saying that they werent true, I was stating that they shoulnn't condemn others and claim to be the ONLY correct and true path.
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    Zeleth spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 09:23 AM
    In the Christian faith, you do not go to hell because you don't know Jesus, as in babies they are too young they haven't been taught or know about Jesus, so they are not accountable, or as in people in other countries who don't even know about him. But if you do know about Jesus and you don't accept him as your lord and savior then you will go to hell.
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    IndigoShaper spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 09:26 AM
    "I was just using Christianity because it is perhaps the best known example of dogmatism."

    Especially recently I would think that Islam is the religion best known for dogmatism; which other religion do you know of that is so up itself and arrogant that it issues its own death warrants to people who, according to them, speak against it (the author in kenya comes to mind).

    Yes I know that not ALL muslims are like this, but people are allowed to speak against christianity without the fear of being killed while your radical muslims insist on your death.
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    IndigoShaper spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 09:31 AM
    And what about the other religions in the world - what will happen to them? Their religion states the same thing...
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    harrisonface spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 11:04 AM
    'titious, i am christan. you know that. and you should know that only jesus kids that go to the school next to us and there families beleive that everyone else is damned to hell. i don't beleive that. i beleive that everyone has free choice of religion. thats why budism is the best cause they beleive that too. but anyway, there is only a small minority of people who are as crazy as the examples you gave, like john and mr. coture i don't know how to spell his name cuz everything he thinks about is dumb. i don't take all of the words in the bible for literal fact because they arn't. when people calimed to have seen god it was cuz they were fasting and havinh halusonations. (i can't spell that either). the thing is the stuff they wrote after they got back on a healthy diet actually has lessons of how to have a good life, more so in the new testiment. no religion is the one great religion but the most popular ones have good teachings about how we should live, and it shouldn't matter what we call the book that we get the teachings from.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 11:51 AM
    Hey harrison, im not refering to all, but mostly the evangelist followers who condemn everyone.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 11:56 AM
    I believe that there is enough muslim bashing going on everywhere. Have you every been personally told by a Muslim that your going to hell? I havent, have you ever been personally told by a Christian that you are going to hell? I have, so I guess it's personal. I understand that not all people believe everything dogmatic about their religion, so in the article I was refering to the extremists, the fundamentalists. Most people here on KungFoo know much more about Christianity than they do Islam, so it's just easier to Identify with. Thats why I used Christianity as my example.
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    harrisonface spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 12:08 PM
    thats the word i was looking for thanks i agree totaly
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 12:10 PM
    They do believe in him.

    They just don't believe he has come yet. They keep turning a blind eye to the fact that they killed him by having Barabus freed.

    Some admit they killed A Jesus, just not THE Jesus.

    In the end 144k of them will be converted. To them I say, good choice. To the rest... "make your time, all your base are belong to us" ;)
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 02:11 PM
    It pretty much states that in the article; that I'm refering to the evangelists.
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    Zeleth spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 03:24 PM
    If the other religions in the world don't know any better they are not held accountable
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 06:05 PM
    but what if they dont even believe in a God, due to their religion? If what you say, then by propagating your religion and making people aware of 'jesus', your increasing the number of those who will go to hell because they had a choice.
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    burn2shine spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 06:16 PM
    Leptictitious, your article raises a lot of decent points and it's clear that you are wrestling with some inner demons yourself, but I think your message came across a bit muddled.

    What you are questioning and wondering about are some of the most universal and commonly asked questions in all of science and religion, particularly the aspects about God being all knowing. In a more concise manner, you are asking about free will. That is to say, if we are free to choose and live our lives as we want and accept or not accept God, and yet God supposedly knows all that has happened and all that will happen, how can that be free will? Aren't we just balls on a track, taking only slightly varying paths in our quest towards an inevitable end?

    A lot of great minds have wrestled with that, and still continue to do so. You should check out the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche, Emmanual Kant, Plato and St. Thomas Aquinas if you want to explore the idea further. No one has "solved" the problem yet but there are lots of interesting schools of thought on the topic.

    I was a bit dismayed by the full blown attack on Christianity, but I guess it's a natural reaction. We live in a Judeo-Christian society, even though people are not forced to believe in one of those religions, but there IS a reason (at least in the post-modern school of thought) why people who don't feel that way feel excluded from society and take issue with their beliefs. The general idea is, essentially, that in order for society to function and keep from breaking down into total anarchy, various "centers" of groups/beliefs have to be formed. People like to rally themselves around others who share the same ideas as them - the comfort found in groups like this allow us to feel like we belong, like our thoughts are worthwhile and thus justified. However, when we create these "centers" for ourselves, we are almost forced to exclude people, simply so we feel comfortable with ourselves. This is not really done out of malice, its just that everyone wants to feel special in their own way.

    To give a better example, take a look at the social structure of an American high school. Don't kids generally tend to classify themselves into groups/cliques? Rednecks, jocks, skaters, wiggers, goths, etc...all are composed of people who share the same sense of humor, fashion, interests, whatever. True, people may belong to more than one group at a time, but usually these groups exist because, well, there are strength in numbers and since humans are social creatures, we like to feel like we are part of something, like we belong. Is this fair to people who can't rigidly classify themselves into one group or the other? Of course not. But it really seems to be the way things are, not only in high school but in society as well.

    When one looks at the issue of religious exclusivity from that angle - that believing in Jesus/Buddha/Muhammad, etc is the only way to get into the religious "club" - one might start to understand the rationale. Keep in mind that it is not Christians or Muslims or Jews or Buddhists who exclusively practice this. The only difference between a Jews and a Muslim is the numbers, at least when it comes to their beliefs. Any religion that has the numbers, that has the power, is bound to use it to their advantage. Remember, Christians - when they were considered a cult by the Romans - still held onto their beliefs of only those who accept Jesus will get into heaven, even though they didn't have the majority. It made them form a center in which to rally around and thus, made them more appealing to others. Religion is just one big mass of clubs, some of which you can belong to more than one of, while others you can't.

    Your comments about Eastern religions are valid, as a lot of them (Shinto and Taoism especially) are very open to other religions. That's why a lot of asian people practice more than one thing at a time. However, by simply comparing the strengths of them with the weaknesses of others, you are really just contradicting yourself - you say one is no better than the other all through out this piece, and yet you advocate Eastern religions like they were "the way". I won't get into semantics about this with you (or any one else) but just know that because religions are constructs of man, they ALL have flaws.

    You also can't condemn things in the Bible fully, as a lot of the people WERE real people and more and more recently, scientists are finding proof that a lot of things (especially Noah's flood) really DID happen. Now, I am by no means a Christan (I'm closest to a deist, which I can elaborate more on if people want to know) but you can not just write things off and say that there is "no proof" of faith-based religions working. The very idea that something based on faith needs proof is contradictory in itself. We can argue all day long about why one side can't disprove the other, but it comes down to this: faith is appealing to some people who seek comfort in knowing that no matter what they do, there is a guiding hand watching over them, just as much as people take comfort in facts that are tangible and provable and real here on Earth to prove their point. Where your loyalties lie on each side all depends on you personally. It's my opinion that no one is right or wrong - they are all just different in their beliefs. Let people live their lives how they want to, and believe what they want, as long as it doesn't stop someone else from doing the same. That is what our Founding Fathers saw as the best solution (who, amongst themselves were Christians, Puritans, Athiests, Deists and many other faiths) and that is what our country is based on. After all, both science and religion, no matter what extent you believe in them, need each other. In the words of Albert Einstein:

    "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

    Oh, and lastly - just because Foobies know I love to nitpick - your figures are more than a little off. There are only 6 billion people on Earth, give or take a few million. There are 2 billion Christians, 1.2 billion Muslims, 786 million Hindus, 382 million Buddhists, 18 million Jews, 211 million Athiests and 925 million people with no religion. There are obviously other sects too but those are the biggies. And while Hindus do have millions of Gods, I think that 300 million might be a bit of a stretch. If you want more info on these figures (I personally find this stuff interesting...I'm a dork though), you can check it out here [link]

    That's all I got...I liked the article but I hope I maybe could make your thoughts more clear and/or understandable.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 06:21 PM
    I go out of my way to send people to hell by letting them know about Christ. After all it is the right thing to do ;)

    Bwahahahaahah
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    burn2shine spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 06:30 PM
    Religion is a philosophy. Science was created by philosophers many years ago. Science is nothing but a sterile process to deduce facts and test hypothesii (spelling?). Philosophy is the study of principalities, values, knowledge, etc. using logic rather than empirical methods that science uses. They are completely seperate things and the arguement can be made either way that science disproves or enhances religion. Philosophy and science are not meant as replacements but compliments for eachother.

    Actually...religion and philosophy are quite different. Religion is a belief in faith, in some sort of being or power that will help you out (more or less). Philosophy is an attempt to understand that power and why it is the way it is. One accepts, one questions.

    Science on the other hand, sprang out of religion. The general thinking among theologians is that the first humans believed animal spirits (like the Native Americans do) ran the universe, as a way to explain their world. Then, when that began to fail them - after say, a long drought or a bad crop - they began to worship these spirits, eventually turning them from many different gods (polytheistic) to two or, in most cases, one (monotheistic). This is how religion was born. Science then, became an offshoot of religion - a further evolution if you will - not as a way of disproving God, but as a way of understanding how he made things the way he did. Science never really wants to get rid of God - most scientists actually BELIEVE in God - it just wants him to explain himself. Where it runs into trouble against religion then, is that again religion just accepts it as being true, while science seeks validation.

    However, all three need each other - religion needs philosophy just as much as science needs religion and philosophy needs both. After all, many of the greatest philosophers were Christian leaders, just as many of the best scientists were religious. The key with philosophy, I think, is that it uses the best of both worlds to try and make sense of our world. You can't just call science cold, because that's not true. Scientists are not machines, and while they DO try to assert themselves with facts, they are humans just as well and as such are inclined to emotion and flaw just like anyone else.

    They all need each other, whether they will admit it or not.
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    Leptictitious spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 07:11 PM
    I realise my views are a bit muddled, but considering the time I have had to think about-thats the best I could do. Having just turned 16, I have my whole life to sort this out, but this is how far I have come right now. And Shiny, about the Gods...I was paraphrasing a bit, but you get the point.

    I don't argue that a religion is wrong, but that no religion is wrong, so the Christian fundamentalists, or anyone who thinks they're right and everyone else is wrong...is wrong. I attempted to 'pull the carpet' out from underneath the fundamentalists. Perhaps thats my goal in life, so sue me...but don't condemn me.
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    DC spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 07:38 PM
    There is no definite right...but there are definite wrongs???
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    Leptictitious spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 07:44 PM
    My entire article says that there is no definite wrongs...and thus, no definate rights either. Did you just read the tile and post your opinion about that?
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    DC spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 07:58 PM
    I'm not trying to rag on you or anything and I'm one of the people that did read through your editorial and comment on it. I'm just trying to understand what you just said.

    I don't argue...that no religion is wrong, so...anyone who thinks they're right and everyone else is wrong...is wrong.

    It just seems like a contradiction in terms...
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    DC spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 10:08 PM
    Sorry for being vague; I did realize that paragraph was screwed up. But, I didn't clarify it because I thought nobody would care. I can always count on you to call someone on an obscure and offhand topic ;)

    Let me think this over and rephrase it with some of my post, some of your post and some more info.

    You say religion is faith which I accept. A more expanded definition of religion is " cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith." Thanks Merriam-Webster. The main purpose of religion is to attain knowledge of a principal or system of beliefs, but its through faith as you said.

    I wasn't referring to the origins of science as a concept, but modern science defined as a process and structure - which wasn't the point anyway. I was trying to counter Leptictitious' arguement that science replaced religion. The point is science is a method applied to deduce facts; it assumes the real world and tests it using an objective set of standards.

    Whereas religion seeks truth through faith, science seeks truth through inductive / deductive logic. I did try to stress that they ultimately seeked the same thing and could reinforce eachother.

    However, read this as to the origins (read: driving force) of science:

    "Man tries to make for himself in the fashion that suits him best a simplified and intelligible picture of the world. He then tries to some extent to substitute this cosmos of his for the world of experience, and thus overcome it...He makes this cosmos and its construction the pivot of his emotional life in order to find in this way the peace and serenity which he cannot find in the narrow whirlpool of personal experience...The supreme task...is to arrive at those universal elementary laws from which the cosmos can be built up by pure deduction. There is no logical path to these laws; only intuition, resting on sympathetic understanding of experience, can reach them..."
    -Einstein
    Ironic that one of the greatest minds of the last century described science's ultimate aim this way. Man's quest for truth in science as in religion is spiritual. More interestingly, man's quest to uncover these mysteries of the universe - the same quest religion claims - has no logical route and only man's own faith to guide him.

    Whereas the arguement can be made that these two - science and religion - are two sides of the same coin differentiated only by the paths they walk but guided and aimed by the same concepts, philosophy can be loosely described as an observation of that coin. It is a questioning of the methods, values, truths, definitions that science and religion answer. Hierchally, that's why I tried to say they are a seperate branch of "knowing" beneath philosophy, but not independent of it.

    Heh, I think the Apostle Paul ( or John?) said this constant questioning was the product of a diseased mind. At least there's company.

    *oh yeah, i'd like for you to reply so I can get your thoughts*
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 11:18 PM
    Condradiction in terms? Your '...'s mess up the quote!

    What I said was
    I don't argue that a religion is wrong, but that no religion is wrong, so the Christian fundamentalists, or anyone who thinks they're right and everyone else is wrong...is wrong.


    Thats really straight forward, NO Religion is wrong, If you say you are right and everyone else is wrong, you would be wrong due to your inability to support your accusations. Where is the contradiction?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 11:29 PM
    *shrug8
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 21, 2003 at 11:45 PM
    Is that you claim there are no concrete wrongs, but you lambast certain religions as being absolutely wrong for holding what they believe to be absolute truths.

    Its sorta like when the cynics would claim there are no abolute truths and other philosophers and schools would shoot back "Isn't that statement an absolute truth in itself?"

    Forget it, the horse has been killed, beaten and buried.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 22, 2003 at 12:46 AM
    I was pointing out that there are some wrongs in those religions, so if somethings wrong they can't claim to be entirely right, and the only right...I wasn't saying that those religions were totally wrong, I was merely destroying the premise by which the fundamentalists attack non-believers. DO-YOU-UNDERSTAND-YET?
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 22, 2003 at 01:12 AM
    heh, just let it die, you're arguing your statement while I was just pointing to your logic. In any case, I think we were arguing different definitions of relative truth.

    I know what the statement meant.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 22, 2003 at 03:47 AM
    You pretend to be a reverend but you are probably no fucking such thing in my, or any other christians eyes...
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 22, 2003 at 10:14 AM
    Those people aren't absolutly wrong either, if thats what you mean, because of course they hold some part of the truth. Almost nothing in the universe is absolute, in any context.
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    guitari2600 spoke on Mar 22, 2003 at 12:29 PM
    hypotheses
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    dr_taber spoke on Mar 24, 2003 at 10:25 AM
    Have you ever heard of "Christian Identity," or "The Army of God?" Perhaps the KKK rings a bell? They all represent the fanatic religious bastardization of Christianity. Every major religion has them, and to say that you're safer around Christians than Muslims is just naïve bigotry.

    And its not just these organizations either. My teacher lives in South Georgia and told me while walking home one day a few months ago, someone out of the blue yelled "Go home nigger!!" But still attended the southern baptist church every sunday.

    I've been to neo-nazi rallies were they praise "The Lord Jesus" while holding up picket sign with a cartoon of a Jew being hung with the headline "Six Million Not Enough." I doubt you'd be allowed to speak against Christianity with "White Revolution" without fear of repercussion.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 24, 2003 at 12:40 PM
    I pretend nothing. I am officially ordained as a minister out of California.

    The ordination is legal and I'm allowed to practice in an official capacity in many states without any special licensing.

    Cheers fucktard
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 24, 2003 at 01:22 PM
    "Cheers fucktard"

    ...Well then your not a very good reverend.
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on Mar 25, 2003 at 11:50 AM
    I never said I was cum chugger. In fact I have repeatedly mentioned that I fail miserably due to the fact that I am human.

    I try, but alas, the stupidity of the rest of humanity overcomes even my extreme patience.

    At least I'm willing to admit I have faults rather than turn a blind eye to them. Judge not lest ye be Judged...

    The short bus is waiting for you...
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    Leptictitious spoke on Mar 25, 2003 at 05:34 PM
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    TinyBonzaiTree spoke on Mar 30, 2003 at 12:44 AM
    Leptictitious, I just read your article and thought it was excellent. I commend you, for you bring about really good points about all these religions that say 'do this or go directly to hell (and don't collect $200).' So then would you say that you are against Christianity, Judaism, Protestantism, Lutheranism, etc? I got the feeling that you were condemning every religion for having a God; and mainly focusing your attacks on Christianity. Is it that or are you against the idea that you must believe in this God or go to hell? I don't think Christianity is about that. I would say that Christianity is about having a belief in some greater good (I don't really care if people say it has to God, it could be anything), and trying to promote that good to the atmosphere around them. This is just my opinion, but, I don't see how people could get through life without loving, caring, and good intentions. That is what Christianity promotes, isn't it? But I haven't stumbled upon a part of the Bible that said 'Belive in Me or go to Hell.' If I find a passage like that, I will quit Christianity here and now. Oh, wait, that is the first commandment. Forget what I just said, hehehe. Ya, I am kind of being contradictory. I apologise. Still, just believe in a greater good. Sorry gtg. Bye
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 30, 2003 at 12:51 AM
    Yeah, I was mainly focusing on Christianity because it's the easiest for all of us Westerners to relate to.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 31, 2003 at 06:08 AM
    lol, i find it amazing that after so many years of human development people still believe in icons to such a degree.

    anybody with any religion, at all, might as well be praying to the sun god to make our crops grow.

    i can understand the need to feel like something else is in control, you dont have to worry, but thats all it is. a need to feel that you can rely on somebody else. like a replacement for your parents when you get to old for your parents. cant you see it.

    Oh & BTW, somebody stated that even most scientists believe.

    I work in a large group of some of the worlds leading scientists (in there fields) and i can say that only 1 believes in gOD (out of about 80) and he is funny in the head, so no supprise there. the rest, however, can only wonder at the fact that others believe in gODS.

    In the uSA it may be different (ive seen pictures of NASA employees in the NASA church. you gotta laugh at that)
    but then the yanks have never been good at origianl thought (even in the fields of science) so, i guess they will go sheep like with the masses.
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Jan 02, 2004 at 04:28 PM
    u suck u basterd
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 05, 2004 at 08:17 PM
    what is up man
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on Mar 27, 2004 at 07:39 PM
    bullshit
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    darknessfalls spoke on May 06, 2004 at 10:44 AM
    ha no one beleaves in god ne more cause every one is starting to find out that its all bullshit.... how can u actually beleave that theres sum 1 watching over us, 'god' sounds more like a stalker then a creater...or maby he is a creator, of kiddi porn. hell hes probly out side ur window rite now. ive said it before and ill say it again, screw christianity anti-christ all the way!
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on May 06, 2004 at 02:54 PM
    Right they don't tell you. They sneak up behind you and blow your ass up. They are sneaky ass bastards.

    Yes it's a late one but some dumb ass resurrected this thread. Argh, damn them to the firey bowels of Hoochie's anus!
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on May 06, 2004 at 03:04 PM
    Ahhh our resident little satanic cocksucking thread raiser has surfaced. Hey fuckface, enjoy being sodomized by big evil black men in hell, mkay? Thanks.
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    darknessfalls spoke on May 07, 2004 at 10:29 AM
    go back to chuch god boy. No one wants to hear you whinny bitch assin about how your daddy beats you and your moms a prostitute. And in not a fukin satanic u sadistic whore. Maby you should get back to ur clan meeting so u can fuk up the lives of the black people for another 100 years ya racist fuk face. By the way tell ur mom her moneys in the mail for last nite. And don’t try getting back at me ur only wastin everyones time by fukin around ya cross dressin harmaphradite.
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    syzygy spoke on May 07, 2004 at 02:35 PM
    However considering your hatred towards someone who is "white" you must be the nigger hanging swinging in the tree crying, "yessah, I'se never gon' fuck yo bitch ass daughter again suh'."


    Okay, I'm not picking any sides. To be fair though, the above comment was pretty racist. Rev. when you say things like that it doesn't help your credibility. I have nothing against you as a person but I thought that people would have grown out of those types of comments at a certain age.

    Don't shoot back at me about the correlation between age and your opponents spelling. I fully agree, if he wants to be taken seriously he should put a little more effort into his argument and English skills, at the same time maybe you should rethink your attitude about minorities, unless of course you're just trolling. ;)

    :mytwocents:
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    Reverend Jynxed spoke on May 07, 2004 at 02:58 PM
    Interesting not satanic yet rooting for the anti-christ. Ok you stumped me shithead.

    As for the clan, sorry, I think I spell too well to be at one of their redneck reunions. You however are another story. However considering your hatred towards someone who is "white" you must be the nigger hanging swinging in the tree crying, "yessah, I'se never gon' fuck yo bitch ass daughter again suh'."

    Now again I ask, how is it you proclaim the anti-christ and yet aren't satanic? Or are you perhaps the uneducated simpleton that everyone else understands you to be and I'm just a slow learner in that respect?

    Here's a clue, learn to spell properly, get your grammar in order, and form complete and coherent sentences if you expect anyone to take you seriously in the future. The ball is in your ass fagmo, your move.
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    darknessfalls spoke on May 07, 2004 at 05:27 PM
    If the rev stops being such a fucking racist then I'll type better, and just so you know rev, Im a white thats against racism. Any ways, just because I'm an anti-christ doesnt mean that im satanic. I dont follow any religion, I stopped following Chritianity after the teaches started saying that it was the only right religion to follow and all the other ones were wrong. But thats not really true because all religions say that. So if they all think that their the only right religion and everyone else is wrong they can fuck off cause I dont need people comming to my house trying to convert me. And if I actually had to beleive in something, I would choose Buddism because its not a religion but a way of life, and my good friend Tom who wrote this story can back me up on the whole Buddism thing. Besides the fact that Im against religions in general, its hard to prove that they arnt cults when they are almost the same, and heres how:
    1. They follow/worship some form of higher being (Chritianits has Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit)
    2. The members have to be sworn in ( Christianity has Baptism, First Comunion...)
    3. The members give the 'community' money (Christians donate to the church)
    4. The leader offers something that he ownes to the 'community' ( The Christain Eucarist)
    5. Theres a 'Leader' and his 'followers ( The Christain people follow 'GOD')
    6. They beleave that in following the leader and doing what he asks us to do will get them to a better place when they die ( Chistians say that if you have faith in 'GOD' that you will go to 'heaven')
    And rev, I know all of this because I go to a Christain High School...
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    Anonymous Coward spoke on May 08, 2004 at 08:22 PM
    Hey Eric,

    Yeah man you've got some really good points. Right on. There is nothing that Christianity has that all the other Organized Religions don't. It's just another religion.

    Peace,

    -Tom

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